rankings

[Cardinal Dad 2013]

I am new to this sight and would like to understand the ranking system..My question is "how is a team that lost to another, still ranked above them?"

 

[CowboyP]

The rankings are not based on one game. They are based on every win/loss to this point.

 

[Cardinal Dad 2013]

ok..thanks I just didn't understand it.

 

[CowboyP]

Example. A beats B. B beats C. C beats A. It's hard to rank them without using more data than that.

 

[Dogface]

I am new to this sight and would like to understand the ranking system..My question is "how is a team that lost to another, still ranked above them?"

Actually,
this is such a good (loaded) question.
I assure you
there are several
(not me mind you),
that are really holding back their
colorful commentary
in lieu of a longer grace period.

 

[Cardinal Dad 2013]

It's just a question I was wondering because I didn't understand how they got ranked.

 

[Dogface]

It's just a question I was wondering because I didn't understand how they got ranked.

Join the "not sure I understand it either club".
Stick around.
You'll hear alot more about the rankings.
Hope your team's on top!

 

[Cardinal Dad 2013]

They are still in it, but this week will prove to be tough..I have heard May is the Beast from the East. Maybe we can give them a good game.

 

[Blue Bird]

You beat May and you will have earned a few more rungs on the ranking ladder. You were given good advice earlier, play the game and let the rankings take care of themselves. They usually do.

 

[Shad Kline]

I am new to this sight and would like to understand the ranking system..My question is "how is a team that lost to another, still ranked above them?"

In the case you are referring to.........
Savoy beat Gordon, who beat Lometa, who beat Rochelle, who beat Savoy.
See the dilemma?

 

[Cardinal Dad 2013]

Hornkeeper I meant no disrespect. Just used that game as an example of what i didn't understand.

 

[PopRay]

I am new to this sight and would like to understand the ranking system..My question is "how is a team that lost to another, still ranked above them?"

In the case you are referring to.........
Savoy beat Gordon, who beat Lometa, who beat Rochelle, who beat Savoy.
See the dilemma?

But who beat who last?...the ratings should be more reflective of the current events ...those losses happened much earlier in the season...the rankings should reflect where a team is currently performing....
It also has to do with your basis at the beginning of the season....if your starting out at 175..you've got to win early an often to move up significantly....if ya start at 310 you can take a few hits and still be over 280...

 

[Shad Kline]

None taken. It's just a great example of a 4 way circle.

 

[Cardinal Dad 2013]

I agree. That's why I was wondering how you came up with them.

 

[Shad Kline]

I am new to this sight and would like to understand the ranking system..My question is "how is a team that lost to another, still ranked above them?"

In the case you are referring to.........
Savoy beat Gordon, who beat Lometa, who beat Rochelle, who beat Savoy.
See the dilemma?

But who beat who last?...the ratings should be more reflective of the current events ...those losses happened much earlier in the season...the rankings should reflect where a team is currently performing....
It also has to do with your basis at the beginning of the season....if your starting out at 175..you've got to win early an often to move up significantly....if ya start at 310 you can take a few hits and still be over 280...

Have you looked at my ranking for the week? I have savoy ranked higher than Gordon.

 

[Cardinal Dad 2013]

No I haven't seen them. Still learning the site.

 

[Shad Kline]

blog.php?u=20192

 

[Cardinal Dad 2013]

No I haven't. Still learning my way around the site

 

[PopRay]

I was referring to that "Toy" that most people see on the site...good adjustment HK!

 

[granger]

Lots of opinions on rankings.Nothing is perfect because the results are not perfect. Just not the way life plays itself out. I completely understand your question. One thing I do is look at the details and what could be keeping one team below another…

Savoy (8-3) is currently ranked #53

lost to #55 Rochelle (6-4) 54-8
lost to #113 Heath Fulton (9-3) 63-14
def #146 Fruitvale (5-5) 59-58
def #163 Gold-Burg (3-8) 62-6
lost to #87 Fannindel (11-1) 71-58
def #243 Lewisville Lakeland (2-7) 62-12
def #200 Tioga (4-5) 43-6
def #139 Saint Jo (5-6) 42-12
def #223 Irving Universal Academy (3-6) 48-0
def #68 Walnut Springs (7-4) 38-36
def #50 Gordon (7-5) 22-6
Best win is over #50
Worst loss is from #113
average opponent rating is 218.762727273

Gordon (7-5) is currently ranked #50

lost to #7 Dallas The Covenant (11-1) 62-16
def #82 Stephenville Faith (9-3) 56-6
lost to #46 Blanket (8-4) 28-24
lost to #13 Strawn (10-2) 75-30
lost to #37 Waco Live Oak (10-2) 56-44
def #211 Stephenville Huston Academy (1-5) 80-7
def #195 Moran (2-8) 59-0
def #250 Gustine (0-10) 68-6
def #117 Evant (6-4) 68-22
def #91 Lingleville (8-3) 60-12
def #36 Lometa (7-4) 44-28
lost to #53 Savoy (8-3) 22-6
Best win is over #36
Worst loss is from #53
average opponent rating is 253.224166667


The devil is in the details. Savoy had a VERY weak schedule. From this information, you can see that Gordon is the first team in the top-60 they defeated. Gordon played a tougher schedule and competed well in those games.

This is how I interpret the information. Just one person. Some algorithms might place more value in later wins/losses. I already do place more importance on more recent events, but sometimes those older wins or losses pull a team up (or back) with a lot of strength that a narrow win cannot overcome.

This info I pulled is available at http://www.sixmanfootball.com/why_test.php