Rankings

[oldfolks]

I’m sure Mike would welcome a perfect system that some seem to think is out there. Mike is doing a lot of work on this site and I think he has a full time job that he depends on for his necessities. Thank you Mike for the time and money you donate to this site.

 

[VI-MAN]

Forfeit wins are treated the same as a 45 in this system, just like they have been since I acquired the site in 2021, and I'm sure many years before that. A team can move up beating any team, JV or otherwise, especially if they beat the spread in the game. Even if they don't beat the spread, teams can move up and down based on what their previous opponents do. If TeamA gets 20 rating points for beating TeamB in week 1, then TeamB continues to fall down the rankings, then some of those 20 points that TeamA got will be taken away from them in later weeks.

Also important to note that just because you see a team move up in the rankings doesn't mean that they actually even moved up in rating. A team could lose rating points and still move up in rankings. It could be that a team, or teams, above them dropped enough rating points that they moved down below them. If someone goes down, that means someone else has to go up.

Just curious. Does playing a jv team go down as no game like a bye week?

 

[ModeratorMike]

I’m sure Mike would welcome a perfect system that some seem to think is out there. Mike is doing a lot of work on this site and I think he has a full time job that he depends on for his necessities. Thank you Mike for the time and money you donate to this site.

Mike most certainly would! If anyone would like to donate their time to building me a system that's better than this one, I'll gladly accept!

All I can tell y'all is that I do the best I can within my knowledge and skillset. Writing algorithms is most certainly not in my area of expertise. Still, though, I spend more hours than I'd care to admit every year trying to tweak numbers, and playing with old data, trying my darndest to make this system better. I'll continue to do that every year that I own this site. I can assure you all, there's no person on this planet who wants The Toy to be more accurate than me.

Just curious. Does playing a jv team go down as no game like a bye week?

No. JV teams are rated just like varsity teams. Their ratings simply aren't displayed. Also, I've never tweaked those ratings in the off-season, so they're just carried over from previous seasons. They get scaled back, along with every other team, but I don't really change them any other than that. That's probably something I'll look at this off-season, but it never really crossed my mind until now. If a JV team has a really good season, and beats a few varsity teams, they could end up with an inflated rating to end the season. I should probably look at knocking all of those JV team ratings back even more during the off-season. I'm assuming @FenceLeaner is upset because Sidney moved up so much for beating Jonesboro's JV. It's because Jonesboro's JV had a 215+ rating, which is probably way too high for any JV team starting the season.

The good news is that Sidney will still have to play all their district opponents and, regardless of where they're ranked on this site, the outcome of those games is all that really matters. I am happy for the conversation it's started though.

 

[VI-MAN]

Mike most certainly would! If anyone would like to donate their time to building me a system that's better than this one, I'll gladly accept!

All I can tell y'all is that I do the best I can within my knowledge and skillset. Writing algorithms is most certainly not in my area of expertise. Still, though, I spend more hours than I'd care to admit every year trying to tweak numbers, and playing with old data, trying my darndest to make this system better. I'll continue to do that every year that I own this site. I can assure you all, there's no person on this planet who wants The Toy to be more accurate than me.



No. JV teams are rated just like varsity teams. Their ratings simply aren't displayed. Also, I've never tweaked those ratings in the off-season, so they're just carried over from previous seasons. They get scaled back, along with every other team, but I don't really change them any other than that. That's probably something I'll look at this off-season, but it never really crossed my mind until now. If a JV team has a really good season, and beats a few varsity teams, they could end up with an inflated rating to end the season. I should probably look at knocking all of those JV team ratings back even more during the off-season. I'm assuming @FenceLeaner is upset because Sidney moved up so much for beating Jonesboro's JV. It's because Jonesboro's JV had a 215+ rating, which is probably way too high for any JV team starting the season.

The good news is that Sidney will still have to play all their district opponents and, regardless of where they're ranked on this site, the outcome of those games is all that really matters. I am happy for the conversation it's started though.

That may be what he was asking about? I noticed that one and several others that didn’t add up in this year and past years. That answers my question for sure. It makes more since too me why some seem off and strange with the rankings. I don’t worry about them I think it is entertaining!! But i dont think jv games should be rated and it should be a no game if a varsity plays a jv. But it really doesn’t make a lot of difference. It always works itself out by week 10. lol

 

[Tigerfan85]

Forfeit wins are treated the same as a 45 in this system, just like they have been since I acquired the site in 2021, and I'm sure many years before that. A team can move up beating any team, JV or otherwise, especially if they beat the spread in the game. Even if they don't beat the spread, teams can move up and down based on what their previous opponents do. If TeamA gets 20 rating points for beating TeamB in week 1, then TeamB continues to fall down the rankings, then some of those 20 points that TeamA got will be taken away from them in later weeks.

Also important to note that just because you see a team move up in the rankings doesn't mean that they actually even moved up in rating. A team could lose rating points and still move up in rankings. It could be that a team, or teams, above them dropped enough rating points that they moved down below them. If someone goes down, that means someone else has to go up.

what he said.

 

[TheJoker]

Oh I am. And at face value they aren’t worth a lot. Lol. I’ve never seen a system that moves a team up in rankings when they get a forfeit win. Or a team that beats a JV team and moves up.

That right there tells me the rankings are about worthless.

This you bro? I think I trust the toy rankings more than yours.

 

[TheJoker]

Mike has a tab marked “FANS” where every single person can go select your own Top 10. Also, you can change your selection each week as you see just how wrong you may have been the previous one. Just a suggestion, but make your own Top 10 each week if you have an issue with the Toy. If you’re truly confident in your abilities screenshot and post that way we can judge you as the season progresses. How fun! LMAO

Forgot about this, at the bottom of the fan polls is “Other teams receiving votes” that did not quite make the Top 10. Quite interesting some of them are.

I played that pickem last year but it took too long to make picks so I didn't play this year. Pretty sure some people just vote for their favorite teams and then whatever teams they can think of in the fan polls. I think Mike needs to start banning people who don't do it right. Just like all these Wesp imitators and people who post that they heard something but won't say what it is they heard. What's even the point in that?

 

[VI-MAN]

I played that pickem last year but it took too long to make picks so I didn't play this year. Pretty sure some people just vote for their favorite teams and then whatever teams they can think of in the fan polls. I think Mike needs to start banning people who don't do it right. Just like all these Wesp imitators and people who post that they heard something but won't say what it is they heard. What's even the point in that?

You are exactly right!!!! He needs to ban everyone he don’t agree with, especially if they are having fun !!!!!! You better be serious on here, and only facts!!!!! No laughing!!!!

 

[TheJoker]

You are exactly right!!!! He needs to ban everyone he don’t agree with, especially if they are having fun !!!!!! You better be serious on here, and only facts!!!!! No laughing!!!!

Calm down vermin it's just a joke. I don't really want anyone banned. A suspension for the rest of the football season and 2 years of probation is enough. Maybe 3 years probation for the ones who always seem to "heard something".

 

[VI-MAN]

Calm down vermin it's just a joke. I don't really want anyone banned. A suspension for the rest of the football season and 2 years of probation is enough. Maybe 3 years probation for the ones who always seem to "heard something".

Yes sir!!! Ban them, suspend them, and don’t let them have any birthday cake

 

[WV Backer]

No cake?! You draw a hard line, bro.

 

[FenceLeaner]

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This you bro? I think I trust the toy rankings more than yours.

Yep. I don’t have the time to study up on all the Mickey Mouse private schools and haven’t played since week one. The Toy is about as relevant as your humor. But I appreciate the site and all the work Mike puts in it. Plus the banter that goes on here. Carry on!

 

[TheJoker]

Yep. I don’t have the time to study up on all the Mickey Mouse private schools and haven’t played since week one. The Toy is about as relevant as your humor. But I appreciate the site and all the work Mike puts in it. Plus the banter that goes on here. Carry on!

Relevant enough that you take time out of your day to cry about the toy and reply to my posts. Don't worry your team still has a chance to make the playoffs even if they ranked low.

 

[FenceLeaner]

Relevant enough that you take time out of your day to cry about the toy and reply to my posts. Don't worry your team still has a chance to make the playoffs even if they ranked low.

We’ll make the playoffs if the boys show up. And our team is ranked high enough and likely where they should be. The whole issue with the toy is the algorithm is finicky. No reason a team beating a JV should count. Hard to get right with so many variables, so the rankings really aren’t super relevant. It all depends on the final score.

 

[Techman32]

Yep. I don’t have the time to study up on all the Mickey Mouse private schools and haven’t played since week one. The Toy is about as relevant as your humor. But I appreciate the site and all the work Mike puts in it. Plus the banter that goes on here. Carry on!

Private school rankings should be separate from public imo. Shouldn't be added to the overall rankings. Even though some are good

 

[ModeratorMike]

Private school rankings should be separate from public imo. Shouldn't be added to the overall rankings. Even though some are good

That'd only be feasible if public schools stopped playing games against private schools, which probably isn't something that can, or should, happen. As long as the schools play each other they must remain in the same ranking system or we'd simply need to just tell the system to ignore those games, which also isn't a great idea because a lot of public schools fill their schedules with private schools for travel reasons. Others because the competition is better than any other games they can get scheduled.

 

[VI-MAN]

That'd only be feasible if public schools stopped playing games against private schools, which probably isn't something that can, or should, happen. As long as the schools play each other they must remain in the same ranking system or we'd simply need to just tell the system to ignore those games, which also isn't a great idea because a lot of public schools fill their schedules with private schools for travel reasons. Others because the competition is better than any other games they can get scheduled.

Mike, i think I agree with you on public schools playing private schools. As long as these games are following UIL varsity rules, I believe they do. But not the varsity vs jv games. They don’t follow those rules and can play ineligible players, play different length quarters, and other big differences. I do know travel is a problem for some schools and im assuming it’s even harder for private schools to fill a schedule

 

[ModeratorMike]

I'd agree with that. I very well may make an exception this off-season so that JV games no longer count towards the rankings. The fact that each JV team might only have 1-2 games, at most, against varsity opponents means the ratings and spreads for them will almost always be wrong and will just throw things off.

 

[WV Backer]

I wish the Democrats and Republicans could come to an agreement like that. If they could, I'd be at work right now. Of course, they've got bigger issues at stake than counting JV games or not.

 

[Texlonghorn75]

I guess those poor JV team players were always wondering why they weren't ranked and rated. Lol Turns out they were but not posted. Another reason why those JV'ers are tough and under appreciated by some. Maybe the Texas Longhorns could scrimmage a JV team or two until they get their swagger back, if possible.