Our sport and the dominance of one school.

Things do have a way of changing , fast. I read the Lamesa paper few days ago , it said only one returning senior and one returning junior. This could be the worst year for BC.
 
I started not to even bring it up but topher mentioned he failed to see socialistic tendencies in his premise. This is an overly simplistic definition of socialism but to me it basically is the sacrifice of one for the good of many.
Is that not what you were saying.
BTW, I have officially named Topher & Cowboy " Chief Potstirrers"................
 
CowboyP":3mjyyo5f said:
I'm not trying to stir the pot. I just want to see some other teams increase their level of play. IMO, that will make things much more exciting.
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If you had only said that in the first place instead of agreeing with that pile of crap that topher80 posted, you would have come out smelling a lot better.
 
smokeyjoe53":i9jcnnnq said:
I started not to even bring it up but topher mentioned he failed to see socialistic tendencies in his premise. This is an overly simplistic definition of socialism but to me it basically is the sacrifice of one for the good of many.
Is that not what you were saying.
BTW, I have officially named Topher & Cowboy " Chief Potstirrers"................
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Socialism doesn't sacrifice one for the many... and yes Cowboy and I are cruel individuals. However the last one "I love Obama" was just a joke as 99% of the people on this forum knew when it was posted. This post, I feel strongly about. If that stirs the pot then so be it.

coachjdjones":i9jcnnnq said:
And I was not basing my argument on your man card, I was basin it as you using a second tier spot as your example.
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A second tier sport? Sure.

coachjdjones":i9jcnnnq said:
Ok, you're last post explains a ton.

Here in Texas, not many care about soccer or hockey. In Texas, sixman football will not be ruined by one team's dominance. If that bores you, then this sport isn't important to you as it is to us. I guess what I'm trying to say is: I guess you might as well watch soccer and hockey.
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Fair enough Coach. But I disagree with you about how I feel about six-man ball. I'm a teacher/coach here in the frozen wasteland called Canada. I started following six-man ball about 6 years ago, joined the forum 4 years ago. For a couple of years now, I have sponsored a school so that they can have their games broadcast on the radio. The only games I have ever seen are the ones which coaches send me on DVD and the for the last two years the stream of the state championships. Either I am nuts and I should be watching hockey/soccer or I love this game so much that every Friday night in the autumn, I stream as many games as I can on two laptops, a desktop, and a tablet. Any chance you have a Marfa football hat you'd be willing to sell me? :)
 
Johnny South":srhh0zp6 said:
CowboyP":srhh0zp6 said:
I'm not trying to stir the pot. I just want to see some other teams increase their level of play. IMO, that will make things much more exciting.
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If you had only said that in the first place instead of agreeing with that pile of crap that topher80 posted, you would have come out smelling a lot better.
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I'll smell better Saturday evening. I take a bath every Saturday even if I don't need it.
 
Coach Jones is dead on, where else can you generate this excitment by a few die hard 6 man fans. Topher only started this topic because he knows as does everyone else that RS lost most all its kids and will come out with Sophs and freshmen. So its perfect timing to bring up Lets hope RS loses a few games this year. Last year and before topher would NEVER say what he is saying now, because he knew RS would cramb it down his throat. Alot of people though Follett would bring RS down, but I knew better, I see em play, I know their work effort, Follett had a snowballs change in hell, nothing againts them its just a fact. Now RS is one of the youngest teams in 6 Man this year, but does anyone wanta bet on how deep they will go before anyone will beat them ? And yes they are # 1 until someone does, thats just common sense. You poll pushers put em where ever you want, polls are just for losers wishing. Sic 'em COYOTES.
 
Six-Man is as strong as it has ever been in Texas as far as participation goes. With all of the private schools playing the game now and new UIL teams getting into the mix there are easily more teams playing the game in the state than ever before. Last season there were roughly 250 schools playing six-man, compare that to the 80 or so teams that were playing it in the 1980's.

Having all of those private/home school schools in the mix has created a different landscape for the sport. We now have teams that are infused into public schools' schedules that aren't always governed by the same set of rules as public schools. Sometimes this creates a big advantage for the private schools, but only a handful are highly competitive. On the other hand, most of the private schools that participate in football do not put near the effort into it as most public schools. I for one am not thrilled to see competitive UIL teams being forced into filling their non-district schedules with private teams because the low lying public schools they once played don't want to play a team that takes football seriously.

I think it is safe to say that out of the 250 teams playing last year only about 50 of those had competitive programs. Of that 50 there were only about 15 to 20 that you could classify as "playoff worthy". When you then split that up between the divisions (2 in UIL, and the many private divisions) it really gets watered down. Just look at the playoff game scores. Sure Throckmorton and Richland Springs dominated all of their playoff opponents, but look at what those opponents did to the teams they faced in the playoffs. Take Gordon and Abbott, DI East Semifinalists, they both 45ed their first 3 playoff opponents but were still considered average teams by the six-man "intellectuals". What does that say about all of those teams those two "average" programs demolished along the way? To me it says that the real problem in UIL Six-Man is the two division split which allows too many "non playoff worthy" teams into the tournament only to get hammered by the first "average" team they face.

The problems with two divisions go much deeper than a flimsy playoff bracket. Just look at some of the districts that have had to be constructed with teams having to travel two hours to district games, passing a dozen other DII Six-Man schools along the way. It would be interesting to see how much more schools are paying for fuel after the split. Not only that but the 5 team average district has been diminished to 4 in most cases. If a team was bad before the split, they are still bad for the same reasons but now get to be humiliated under the spotlight of the playoffs.

Just think about how much more competitive the district races and playoffs would have been just last year. Bottom line, six-man does not have enough competitive teams to split. If they want more teams to get trophies start a flag football league open to teams that had a losing record the year before.

It doesn't matter if a team has a string of dominance. There is a cycle for everything and those winning a lot right now will eventually cycle out. They may very well stay relevant for a long time though. The dynasties of the sport give other teams something to strive for and they also attract state-wide and national attention from time to time. The 1990's were primarily dominated by Panther Creek and Gordon, while Richland Springs couldn't stay on the field with them. There came a time when the roles were reversed. Richland Springs' number will be up soon enough, for those of you that wish it to happen. Until then, enjoy the ride and hope that your team ends up at least "average" by the time the playoffs roll around.
 
topher80":1nr7lj8y said:
Fair enough Coach. But I disagree with you about how I feel about six-man ball. I'm a teacher/coach here in the frozen wasteland called Canada. I started following six-man ball about 6 years ago, joined the forum 4 years ago. For a couple of years now, I have sponsored a school so that they can have their games broadcast on the radio. The only games I have ever seen are the ones which coaches send me on DVD and the for the last two years the stream of the state championships. Either I am nuts and I should be watching hockey/soccer or I love this game so much that every Friday night in the autumn, I stream as many games as I can on two laptops, a desktop, and a tablet. Any chance you have a Marfa football hat you'd be willing to sell me? :)
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You can live a full year in Texas and you will still not understand the passion that is Texas HS Football. I don't care how many iPads or laptops you have going, you won't understand it, unless you have lived it for a few years. I don't intend to upset you with that statement, that is just the way it is. Saying that something will ruin this sport is ridiculous. The same can be said for my statement that hockey and soccer are second-tier sports. I am not around them enough to fully comprehend them. What if I, a Texas HS football coach, started chiming in on things I think would ruin Canadian Hockey or European Soccer? And what if I gave my opinions on a message board that is strictly for those sports? What would the responses be like?

I have no doubt you really enjoy this game. It is an awesome, awesome game. But, you shouldn't be surprised about the responses you get when you start telling people what will ruin the game on this message board.
 
Lol...if you can wait til after sept. 1(that's when I can order more), I'll get one in the mail to you...we can use all the support we can get..haha
 
I just disagree totally that a dynasty ruins the sport and absolutely agree that it causes the other teams to raise their game. I know that in TAPPS, 2 teams were substantially responsible for our success over the last 3 or 4 years: Freddy and Bracken. Freddy for their year-in year-out dominance and Bracken for a one-time ever loving butt whipping. Our kids were vocal about it: "that will NOT happen to us again!" And they went to work. That's what the dominant champion does - they make the ones with character better and the ones without quit. And the ones that quit don't ruin anything. Just gives us all somebody to schedule for scrimmages.
 
Well I feel if you don't like that there are some blowouts in the playoffs and you think it would be better to have less teams wait till the ones that in your argument would be there at the end less the other division.. my observation is this 30+ points doesn't mean anything in sixman football a couple of years ago we were down to Ira 42 points but before the gun sounded the game had swung completely around and I know that Ira was glad to get off the field with a win. in our game a player or two that gets hurt or doesn't make his grades or gets sick can turn a team completely around. Houston Qunillia a player from meadow a few years back could have been that kind of player that could have affected any team Eli Achillies was such a player that could make a good team great therefore the loss of such a player can also devastate a team.. very few teams have enough depth to slide in another and not miss a beat.
So lets let the boys play,,, go to the games if you love the game and the dedication of effort and remember this is their time not your or mine we get the privilege to bask in the game of football

SixFan19":1y63c7fd said:
Six-Man is as strong as it has ever been in Texas as far as participation goes. With all of the private schools playing the game now and new UIL teams getting into the mix there are easily more teams playing the game in the state than ever before. Last season there were roughly 250 schools playing six-man, compare that to the 80 or so teams that were playing it in the 1980's.

Having all of those private/home school schools in the mix has created a different landscape for the sport. We now have teams that are infused into public schools' schedules that aren't always governed by the same set of rules as public schools. Sometimes this creates a big advantage for the private schools, but only a handful are highly competitive. On the other hand, most of the private schools that participate in football do not put near the effort into it as most public schools. I for one am not thrilled to see competitive UIL teams being forced into filling their non-district schedules with private teams because the low lying public schools they once played don't want to play a team that takes football seriously.

I think it is safe to say that out of the 250 teams playing last year only about 50 of those had competitive programs. Of that 50 there were only about 15 to 20 that you could classify as "playoff worthy". When you then split that up between the divisions (2 in UIL, and the many private divisions) it really gets watered down. Just look at the playoff game scores. Sure Throckmorton and Richland Springs dominated all of their playoff opponents, but look at what those opponents did to the teams they faced in the playoffs. Take Gordon and Abbott, DI East Semifinalists, they both 45ed their first 3 playoff opponents but were still considered average teams by the six-man "intellectuals". What does that say about all of those teams those two "average" programs demolished along the way? To me it says that the real problem in UIL Six-Man is the two division split which allows too many "non playoff worthy" teams into the tournament only to get hammered by the first "average" team they face.

The problems with two divisions go much deeper than a flimsy playoff bracket. Just look at some of the districts that have had to be constructed with teams having to travel two hours to district games, passing a dozen other DII Six-Man schools along the way. It would be interesting to see how much more schools are paying for fuel after the split. Not only that but the 5 team average district has been diminished to 4 in most cases. If a team was bad before the split, they are still bad for the same reasons but now get to be humiliated under the spotlight of the playoffs.

Just think about how much more competitive the district races and playoffs would have been just last year. Bottom line, six-man does not have enough competitive teams to split. If they want more teams to get trophies start a flag football league open to teams that had a losing record the year before.

It doesn't matter if a team has a string of dominance. There is a cycle for everything and those winning a lot right now will eventually cycle out. They may very well stay relevant for a long time though. The dynasties of the sport give other teams something to strive for and they also attract state-wide and national attention from time to time. The 1990's were primarily dominated by Panther Creek and Gordon, while Richland Springs couldn't stay on the field with them. There came a time when the roles were reversed. Richland Springs' number will be up soon enough, for those of you that wish it to happen. Until then, enjoy the ride and hope that your team ends up at least "average" by the time the playoffs roll around.
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I wrote this on another thread but thought it might fit as we discuss the fate of the Boys that are becoming Young Men just something to chew on..

every year I hear people talk about the last years JV, its a completely different game at the varsity level...

I use to think that speed kills in sixman but have watched over the past few years as strength especially on the offensive side of the ball makes the smaller faster kids on defense to have to play in the trenches and seems to definitely show up with dividends being reaped in the 3rd and 4th quarter for those who play power football...

im ready to hear the clash of pads... and coaches yelling do it again one more time

good luck to all

and for each young man that laces up those cleats cherish each moment it is fleeting but will leave lasting memories, revel in opportunity that you have to play for your team..

one last comment and I will shut up for a while at least....

each player needs to remember there are young ones that are watching you everyday,, the words you use, how hard you work, how hard you play, you may not have chosen to be a roll model but you are!! so go out there WORK hard, show the class and integrity that has been instilled by those who walked, those hallowed halls before you... yes there is blood, sweat, and tears that stain those fields but here is where boys learn to be men and men become leaders!!!
 
Our group of 6-8 admirers of 6 man love to go to the six man games , especially for the concessions. We prefer 6 man over 11 any day. Each one of us has some connections to a different team. We have seen good teams go bad , bad go good. Dominating schools keep pulling better athletes away from their local districts, it seems like, from what we all hear. Could it be the water making them strong ? I'm suppose to ask if the Klondike concession stand can make sugar free ice cream. There are four diabetics that were told they cant eat their delicious ice cream anymore. We will be there for two games this year looks like. Our guess this year is for Throckmorton to continue to dominate. Not necessarily because of the kids , we just think the coach is one of the better and successful ones. Its hard to go against my WV though. Good luck to all the schools this year. Have a safe one.
 
CowboyP":36irdyz3 said:
I agree with topher. I respect Coach Burkhart, Coach Rogers, and the RS players for what they have accomplished. Unfortunately, the continued success of one team can lower interest in the sport.
I do hope RS loses this year - not because they are down, but because another team stepped up their game.
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They've been down for the past 3 years, you goof!
Everyone just needs to get better, BOTTOM LINE!!
It's pretty bad when RS in winning with 11 or 12 players and other schools are losing with 25 to 30 players! Poor coaching and poor programs!



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