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[Knowmystuff]

Florida has had a tough schedule... the SEC is brutal (the Big 12 is too). They should be #2 in the polls behind Alabama in my opinion and could complain that they are getting screwed because all the focus is on OU and UT. I have said all year that it should be the Big 12 Champ vs SEC Champ for the National Title regardless of records as those 2 conferences are with out question the best and hardest this year. I think Florida is the best team in college football and they should play for the championship if they beat Alabama. Why should a team that didn't win its conference play over them?

 

[oopty-oop]

I dont know... because Florida lost to an UNRANKED opponant.... AT HOME????? maybe???

 

[cmyers]

Florida has had a tough schedule... the SEC is brutal (the Big 12 is too). They should be #2 in the polls behind Alabama in my opinion and could complain that they are getting screwed because all the focus is on OU and UT. I have said all year that it should be the Big 12 Champ vs SEC Champ for the National Title regardless of records as those 2 conferences are with out question the best and hardest this year. I think Florida is the best team in college football and they should play for the championship if they beat Alabama. Why should a team that didn't win its conference play over them?

Who has Florida played that they should be ranked #2. Yes they are a good football team, but I do not think they should be ranked #2. They lost to an unbeaten team. While UT and OU have both lost to a team that was ranked in the top 5.

 

[Knowmystuff]

Well they beat at the time #4 LSU, #6 @ Georgie, #25 South Carolina, #20 @ Florida State and have a much stronger non conference schedule with Miami, Hawaii, Florida State than Texas or OU did. They lost a 1 point game to a very good Old Miss team.

 

[oopty-oop]

Florida is strong.. No doubt about it.... I feel that they are a very good team and I would say certainly the best in the SEC as of right now, and would be right up there with Texas and OU in the Big 12, in my opinion. But my opinion is also that the SEC is quite a bit down this year. No way that bama is number 1. They are a pretender, in my opinion. LSU could have and should have beat them even with absoultely no quarterback. Florida is good... but, in my opinion, LSU is not a very good team this year, and Alabama would probably be around the level of Kansas if they competed in the Big 12. In my opinion, they would be in about 5th place in the big 12 south.

 

[cmyers]

Well they beat at the time #4 LSU, #6 @ Georgie, #25 South Carolina, #20 @ Florida State and have a much stronger non conference schedule with Miami, Hawaii, Florida State than Texas or OU did. They lost a 1 point game to a very good Old Miss team.

Out of all of those teams, only to were in the top 15.

Texas beat at the time: #1 OU, #11 Mizzou, #7 OKST, and lost by 1 pt to #6 TT.

Only a couple of those teams that have a acrtual argument as to being good would be LSU(even though they are young), and Georgia.

Oneday is right in the fact that Alabama is overated. Since they really did not face anyone who could pose a problem to them ranking wise, other than Georgia at that time.

Bottome line... Florida should not jump ahead of UT

 

[Raptor]

I dont know... because Florida lost to an UNRANKED opponant.... AT HOME????? maybe???

I agree that the Ole Miss loss looked bad in week 5, but they turned out to be a good team. They lost at Alabama 24-20 and drilled LSU 31-13 in Death Valley. They finished 2nd in the SEC West.

Alabama would probably be around the level of Kansas if they competed in the Big 12. In my opinion, they would be in about 5th place in the big 12 south.

I can't believe I just read that.

You guys aren't thinking straight.

I'll elaborate later.

 

[oopty-oop]

No let me elaborate now.... Bama loses to OU, Texas, Tech, and OSU. I believe any of these 4 teams could beat bama... Did you see the LSU / Bama game???? How horrible is LSU??? and they should have WON!!! I dont see what is so shocking about my post.. Of course it is just my opinion, which you could certainly disagree with, however, I dont see why it is so completely far fetched.

 

[The Assassin]

Apparently everyone on this site is a little biased towards the Big 12 South and I am too. The fact of the matter is the conference champion out of the Big 12 (except Missou) and the SEC should and will play for Title. Florida and Alabama have better Defenses top to bottom than any Big 12 team except maybe Texas. Alabama does not have a great offense but they can run the football and stay away from turnovers. Florida has more speed on offense than any Big 12 team and Tebow. Anyone that says the SEC does not belong is crazy. There is a reason the AP has Bama #1 and Florida #2. I too am pissed off because of the system, but as crazy as it would be if Texas played OU in the title, it shouldn't and won't happen. It is no given that OU will beat Missou in Kansas City, and the way the BCS is I won't suprised if Florida and Missou win to cause a big stur.
I also want playoffs, but it will never happen. I think the +1 system is the best we can hope for. I too think people are a little crazy comparing BAMA to Kansas. Alabama runs the ball and plays defense they can compete with anyone in the Big 12.

 

[oopty-oop]

Not to mention the Kentucky and Mississippi games which Alabama squeeked out a couple wins against NON RANKED opponants..... You will have to explain to me why they are so great. I am not an alabama hater... I just think dont think they would even be close to the best in the Big 12. Much less the best in the country....

 

[oopty-oop]

I tend to believe that the great SEC defenses are more of a lack of offense this year.... Look at LSU... Mississippi, Arkansas and Troy all scored 31 points on them.... TROY!!!!

How about that great GEORGIA Bulldog defense.... 45 points to GEORGIA TECH???? Along with Kentuckys 38 points???

I dont know... I just think that this year is a down year for the SEC..... I could definately be wrong.... I have been wrong more times than I can remember... But I think I do have a case here. We will see during the MNC game..... (Although we all know that Big Game Bob will lay an egg that day, so who knows... lol)

 

[oopty-oop]

I too think people are a little crazy comparing BAMA to Kansas.

I dont know... I think Kansas is a pretty good team, if you remember... the ones that just beat the big 12 north champion... They only lost to OU by 14.... I think OU would take Bama by a little more than 14.

 

[lbk419]

I think like it or not, the Bama vs. Florida game will decide one of the teams in the title game. I think most are on the same page, but honestly, I can't imagine many scenarios where this will not play out like this.

As for OU vs. Mizzou, I think it is highly likely that OU wins by 60 points. Mizzou is hurting right now, and while they might have some energy to bounce back from being beaten by Kansas on crutches, I just don't think they've got a chance.

On the slim chance that Mizzou wins, it presents a decent chance for UT to go to the title game, but opens the door for other teams to argue their case, mainly USC I would think, as I think Penn State is still out of the picture.


I've also been thinking that in regard to the Heisman, I see 2 likely scenarios, that still may be way off: 1) Colt McCoy wins partly on the fact that he has amazing stats, and because there is a bit of sympathy vote for him for UT getting left out of the title game, or 2) Tebow wins again because Bradford and McCoy split too many votes from Big 12 supporters.

 

[Dale Miller]

D I collegiate playoffs are a pipe dream. In the current format there is no symmetry between the conferences in determining their champion. Big 10 does not play a complete round-robin or have a championship game. Pac 10 plays a complete round-robin but does not have a championship game. SEC, Big 12, ACC, C-USA all have divisional round-robin but various ways to schedule non-divisional foes and tie-breakers. And with non-conference scheduling each school sets that portion of their schedule.
Do the "minor" conferences have an equal access to the playoffs? Or are we using ratings to determine their status as legitimate playoff teams (Utah and Boise)? Is Cincy an auto invite? How about BC/Va Tech winner?

Until D I contracts to 8, 12 school conferences, with a championship game (1st round) madness will ensue in trying to create an equitable system. Oh wait, under that format UT and TT would be left out. I like the current chaos!

 

[rainjacktx]

39 - 33 is just as valid.

Had you done what you needed to do, there would not be any discussion. Had Tech done the same thing, there would be no discussion either.

You are not as popular as tu-norman. It is a bitter pill, but that's the truth. Your patsy non-conference schedule probably has something to do with it.

But I agree 100% - there needs to be a real playoff system. A championship needs to be settled on the field, not with the vote of a sportswriter.

A TT fan should be the last one to accuse any one else of a patsy non-conference schedule........

I'm not complaining about being leapfrogged in the polls. I know full well that the RR's played one of the weakest non-conference schedules in D-1.

I also know that there should be no complaining if a team doesn't do what they need to do to win.

 

[rainjacktx]

BTW, rainjack, UT was actually ahead by more in the polls...

Also, I love Leach suggesting they should base it on graduation rate after the Baylor game....

Is that sarcasm dripping from the screen, or am I just seeing things?

I think it makes sense. But actually factoring academics into the equation will never fly in the business of D-1 collegiate sports. The AD's sold their souls to the booster clubs and alumni assoc. decades ago.

 

[Raptor]

Not to mention the Kentucky and Mississippi games which Alabama squeeked out a couple wins against NON RANKED opponants.....

Ole Miss is ranked. They weren't in week 7 when they saw Alabama, but they're a good team. Quit pointing out that they weren't ranked in October.

You will have to explain to me why they are so great.

Are you that much of a BIG XII homer? They are an undefeated SEC team. That's enough.

I tend to believe that the great SEC defenses are more of a lack of offense this year.... Look at LSU

SEC offenses are never as good as BIG XII offenses. This is common knowledge.

No, don't look at LSU. Look at 'bama. LSU isn't in the discussion.

Alabama and Florida can flat out play defense. There isn't a defense in the BIG XII that compares. Not Texas, not OU, none.

Have you already forgotten the 2006 Cotton Bowl when an Alabama team who had lost 2 games in a row beat Texas Tech 13-10 and held the Red Raiders to 226 passing yards (329 total)? Alabama's crappy SEC offense outgained the Red Raiders by nearly 100 yards.

I dont know... I think Kansas is a pretty good team, if you remember... the ones that just beat the big 12 north champion... They only lost to OU by 14.... I think OU would take Bama by a little more than 14.

It's funny how you choose not to state all of the facts because it helps your argument. Kansas is a 7-5 football team and you choose to highlight a 14 point loss and their one decent win. Nice. Kansas is not a good football team.

If Kansas = Alabama, then Baylor = Florida.

See how silly that is?

 

[Knowmystuff]

They should have used a point spread system to settle this. At least that way it is decided on the field. Doing it that way OU would still win the South.

I don't want OU in the title game, but if they win the Big 12 Champ then it will happen. I always root for the Texas teams. But OU is like 0-4 in BCS bowl games including a blowout loss in a Championship game...OU has choked in bowl games and that is another reason I don't want to see them in one.

If they lose to Mizzu would they drop lower than Tech in the polls??? So that Tech could play in a BCS Bowl game???

 

[oopty-oop]

Thanks for elaborating Raptor... All fine points indeed. I happen to have a different opinion, and will try to back that up with fact, but I am sure we will end up agreeing to disagree. However, since you have used my words to retort, allow me to do the same.

Not to mention the Kentucky and Mississippi games which Alabama squeeked out a couple wins against NON RANKED opponants.....

Ole Miss is ranked. They weren't in week 7 when they saw Alabama, but they're a good team. Quit pointing out that they weren't ranked in October.

Mississippi IS NOW ranked... and deservedly so!! They are a good team... SEC powerhouse?? maybe not.... However LSU is now NOT ranked and also SHOULD have beat Alabama... so either one way or the other, you can't have it both ways here.

You will have to explain to me why they are so great.

Are you that much of a BIG XII homer? They are an undefeated SEC team. That's enough.

hahaha, that is very funny... kind of getting a bit personal trying to insult me?... You are calling ME a Big XII homer and you come off looking like the ultimate SEC homer by saying that Alabama is an undefeated SEC team and that is enough... lol. FYI, I am not a Big 12 homer.... just think they are a bit better than the SEC this year.... save for Florida, who I think is playing great ball this time of year.

I tend to believe that the great SEC defenses are more of a lack of offense this year.... Look at LSU

SEC offenses are never as good as BIG XII offenses. This is common knowledge.

No, don't look at LSU. Look at 'bama. LSU isn't in the discussion.

Alabama and Florida can flat out play defense. There isn't a defense in the BIG XII that compares. Not Texas, not OU, none.

Have you already forgotten the 2006 Cotton Bowl when an Alabama team who had lost 2 games in a row beat Texas Tech 13-10 and held the Red Raiders to 226 passing yards (329 total)? Alabama's crappy SEC offense outgained the Red Raiders by nearly 100 yards.

You tell me to not look at LSU because LSU isn't in the discussion, but then in the same quote bring up a team from 2006????? Dont look at 2006.... 2006 isn't in the discussion.lol

BUT since you say that we can't look at LSU... let's look at the one common opponant that they have... Arkansas...
vs Bama - 49-14
vs Texas - 52-10
vs Florida - 38-7

I dont see a whole lot of difference with the defense between those games.... Figured if Texas could hold them to 10pts, then surely they wouldnt score on those Big ole powerful SEC defenses.

I dont know... I think Kansas is a pretty good team, if you remember... the ones that just beat the big 12 north champion... They only lost to OU by 14.... I think OU would take Bama by a little more than 14.

It's funny how you choose not to state all of the facts because it helps your argument. Kansas is a 7-5 football team and you choose to highlight a 14 point loss and their one decent win. Nice. Kansas is not a good football team.

If Kansas = Alabama, then Baylor = Florida.

See how silly that is?

You are right!! Why would I choose to make your case for you? Is that what debating is all about? I am trying to state my case that the Big 12 is a better conference this year.

Kansas is a 7-5 football team.... maybe they are not a very good football team.... they got within 14 points of beating the #2 team in the nation..... But by your same logic LSU is not a good football team, and they got within 1 touch down and went to overtime with the #1 team in the nation.

And yes Kansas = Bama, then Baylor = Florida is silly. I happen to think (and I have said before) that Florida would be up there in the top with the Big 12 by the way they are playing. I think they are a much better team. It is funny how you forget that I said that to support your OWN argument..... lol

 

[granger]

I still think the best solution would have been a three-way coin flip at some diner near the Oklahoma-Texas border. They all throw their coins in the air and Mack can't find his and dives underneath a booth looking for it... TV cameras all over the place. The parking lot would have been full of trucks. No NY tv announcers allowed (or Barry Switzer for that matter--good work Fox)...

BTW, article in the Statesman about the guy in charge of the BCS at the NCAA. Goes on and on, then you get to the end and he's an OU grad... hmmm