Re: Ira vs Crowell thoughts?

I'm telling you, they're a reflection of their coach. All the Crowell folks want examples, "tell me who, tell me where" but just know that where there is smoke there is fire. You think I'm the only one that has ever heard this about Hayes?
 
smokeyjoe53":bc3wdx6j said:
Caprock kid":bc3wdx6j said:
Some times I wonder if it's just the simple fact that they are a new team making an impressive run.
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After Richland Springs & throcks multiple winning years, it takes more than one year to impress some people......... I know, I know, I'm a hater, right?
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No sir I don't believe in haters. Just negative people but you sir are neither.
 
I saw the game as well and can say it was a good game. Not as good as the WV game but still a good one. As to unsportsmanlike conduct it really happens in every game and every sport. Crowell is doing awesome this year and the trash talk probably won't phase them. As to making accusations of a coach training kids to play dirty. I'm pretty sure that this is more an accusation than reality. I've seen this coach COACH. He's been a very supportive member of this community. The Ira Bulldogs were a very good opponent but its the past now. Time to look forward. Forget about all the antagonists on the thread. Come to Childress and see for yourselves instead of listening to "reputable sources." Hopefully you'll be there rainjack since you're our biggest critic even though you're not there. These wildcats have something to prove and that is bring home Crowells first State Championship. Good Luck Wildcats Eyes on the Prize..
 
antagonist -

You're making this very personal. I've attended many games coached by the person you are talking about (at different schools he coached at no less) and believe me he isn't this monster you are making him out to be. As just about every coach who has ever coached, he can get fired up and excited and even yell at refs from time to time...but so has ever coach I have ever seen coach.
 
SixManFan96":3tgpxey2 said:
Someone Please tell me what Crowell did that was "Dirty"? Someone who's actually been there and doesn't rely on sources. Crowell Plays HARD AND EMOTIONAL and that sometimes leads to flags but I have never seen them have the intent to play dirty. Did i not seen Crowell players helping up the bulldogs every chance they got. They've been doing that all year.
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sorry im still kinda new to this whole thing about threads.

I was there, i was on the sidelines even. I saw every play, I heard everything on that field. Yes, the Crowell helped them up off the ground a few times. But that definitely does not make up for everything else I saw there. Nevermind the trashtalking, like someone said, its going to happen. And I'm not saying it was the whole team either, mind you, but there were a handful of players on Crowells team who did not play nice. Not to say that this is a nice sport, but there were many displays of unsportsmanlike conduct.

While third quarter had been coming to a close and the clock just stopped at 4 seconds left, a large amount of the players, including Ira had gathered over by Crowells sidelines, and all of a sudden, one of Ira's players had been shoved onto his back while the refs backs were turned. I watched him fall, I saw hands shove him down. Ira's players wouldn't do that to one of their own, and a coach can be removed from a game for attacking a player like that. Who's left in this equation?

As Cotton on Ira's team had been pushed out of bounds in one play, I saw the Crowell player go out of his way to rip the ball from his hands as he fell and throw it away from him, yelling "Boom, inhale on that" and walking away without helping him up, high-fiving his teammates, leaving Cotton on the ground. This all happened about a few yards away from where I was standing. This was well into the fact that Ira wasn't going to win and he was being cocky and rude, and I would love to know how doing something such as that is considered playing with heart and emotion.

As well as those obvious displays of unsportsmanlike behavior, there were many uncalled examples of holding and grabbing and very rude behavior that came from Crowell, and I heard every bit of it.

Crowell is a very rough team, and the Bulldogs were in for a fight, they knew this from the beginning. Crowell is a very talented team, shown by the multiple cross-field passes thrown by the quarterback as well as their ability to breakaway from a very agile team like the Bulldogs. I will not deny that. But the way they played some of the game is not a way to be respected or celebrated. They might be going to the state championships and may very well win the trophy, but it's not without the dirt of unfair play and unsportsmanlike behavior on their hands.

It's going to be very interesting to see how Basketball season goes should the dogs and the cats play on the court.
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Time to fire up the Hudl account and watch the sideline activity. With only 144 total plays and your comments above it shouldnt be to hard to see if it all went down as mentioned.
 
Most of what Crowell does is after the play when the film is off or cheapshots away from the play the film doesn't catch. Including the coaches
 
i dont know if anyone has noticed or not but this is TEXAS FOOTBALL. it seems that people have forgotten whats that like. Hard hits and trash talking football is what makes the game exciting. ive lived it and played it. this isnt flag football gentlemen. and if the other teams cant handle that.. maybe they will enjoy their basketball season alittle better where no contact is needed. Watching Crowell take down 3 #1 ranked teams in 7 weeks is a pretty good indicator that they know what it takes. and they do have attitudes..but its been both ways. the first thing Watervalley mouthed on the first play to one of crowells guys(as he was gettin up off the sideline) was "stay down boy" and then Crowell gets criticized for doing the same. Ira sure was mouthing after #5 Bond got injured. and they were excited about it. its a no win for them except on the scoreboard. Where it counts. after allll the bull is set aside.. how many teams have hugged their way into a State Championship?!?! NONE. if they cant handle this sport..Oklahoma has good cheerleading tryouts i hear.
 
Well said backnblack. If talking thrash makes the ball get thrown 50 yards for a touchdown and makes a kid run for a 80 yard touchdown on the kickoff. yep sounds like Crowell figured out the fundamentals of football.. yall want to see what the wildcats can do? Childress..All I gotta say.. Bring a extra jock strap..They will knock them off.. hurting folks and bringing the pain..what good is speed when you got a 6man wrecking crew!!
 
Look, the person I responded to asked for someone at the game, and I was at the game and I responded truthfully and will stand by the words I said.

But I agree with putting the past behind us and moving on because I am not going to turn my response into a massive argument like this other person seems to be trying to do by asking for someone to speak up then when someone does they scrutinize and question because it wast the response they wanted. And I guarantee that you're not going to see those examples on film because those we were all off plays, the cameras stop recording when the tackles are made. So you can go back and watch it all you want and say it's not there because we all know it's not going to be there. But I know what I saw.

It was an excellent game, a clash of true talent in the state, and I'm glad to have gone, the subject of this argument aside. Congrats to the wildcats for making it to state, I hope you do everyone proud at home.
 
ironman#":1eu2fbne said:
I saw the game as well and can say it was a good game. Not as good as the WV game but still a good one. As to unsportsmanlike conduct it really happens in every game and every sport. Crowell is doing awesome this year and the trash talk probably won't phase them. As to making accusations of a coach training kids to play dirty. I'm pretty sure that this is more an accusation than reality. I've seen this coach COACH. He's been a very supportive member of this community. The Ira Bulldogs were a very good opponent but its the past now. Time to look forward. Forget about all the antagonists on the thread. Come to Childress and see for yourselves instead of listening to "reputable sources." Hopefully you'll be there rainjack since you're our biggest critic even though you're not there. These wildcats have something to prove and that is bring home Crowells first State Championship. Good Luck Wildcats Eyes on the Prize..
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I'm not your biggest critic. I'm merely relaying what I believe is highly credible information. But for the record, I have been to Crowell games where multiple Wildcats were ejected for unsportsmanlike conduct. So the rumors of dirty play have some basis in truth.

I likely won't be in Childress, especially if it's 9 degrees outside. But good luck to Crowell. I hope Valley avenges their loss to you guys earlier this season.
 
Same coach, different team, a couple of years ago. His player was ejected from Blackwell game for intentionally going after Paint Rock all-district player holding on an extra point attempt. Paint Rock was way ahead on scoreboard. Paint Rock's best player, quarterback, and safety was intentionally injured. No intent to block the extra point kick, only to hurt the holder. Hit holder in ear hole of helmet. PR player missed remainder of playoff games with concussion. Coach high-fiving his player afterward, even when kid was ejected. Real classy. No mistake whatsoever of what was going on!
 
sixman1992":2fom333n said:
Most of what Crowell does is after the play when the film is off or cheapshots away from the play the film doesn't catch. Including the coaches
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The first incident you mentioned (player pushed down) was play 53. Our QB had been caught from behind by the jersey. As he tried to remove the Ira player he started spinning and two other defenders close in to clean up and our QB keeps his feet as Ira pushed him backwards. As the pile moves backwards a few steps our RB flies in to push the pile. The white hat blows the play dead and the side judge moves to spot the ball. While he moves to place his foot on spot the ball is pitched to him while your athlete and ours are still locked up, then both pushed off and your player took two steps back then either trips or flops with the ref looking on the whole time.

With side judge looking on the whole time he must not have seen what you did.

After I get back from a basketball game tonight I will look for the other play you mentioned.

I hate to be like this but if these types of comments continue to smolder they turn into fire when read by the next guy looking to jump in.
 
Little Doc, I was at that game. 1. The Blackwell kid was a freshman (I believe) with not much understanding how to conduct themselves at times. 2. Coach Hayes gave him an ear full about what happened afterwards. 3. The play looked bad but was incidental not intentional (big difference), refs didn't eject the kid UNTIL the Paint Rock coach, who's son the player was, ran out on the field yelling and waving his arms around and pointing at Blackwell player and Yelling at them.

Again while what you said is sort of true...you slanted the facts a bit...player hit the holder in a very close attempt to block an Extra Point. Player was a freshman who probably didn't know any better. Coach Hayes reprimanded him right afterwards (proving that he did't approve of such things which invalidates this example of how he is a bad coach). And having been there the Paint Rock coach's reaction was well over the top egging the refs to make the ejection (not saying any one of us would do differently if it was our son, but he helped turn something that was incidental (still a penalty) into something that seemed intentional).

Now the player was hurt and he was taken off the field after some time had passed.

Again it was an unfortunate incidental play not one intentionally done/planed.
 
Whatever you want to call what Crowell does, it has gone on for a while...predating the current staff. Crowell has appeared to have great athletes but the parameters for acceptable behavior have been set pretty wide. There has been quite a lot of talk over the years about the issue, but my opinions about the behaviors have been formed by watching them play against different opponents over several years in both football and basketball.

I don't think it is about Crowell winning now. Their have been several dominant teams over the past few years that you don't see the complaints. The onslaught of new Crowell posters over the past few weeks with their braggadocio and trash talking says a lot. I think that if all of them were more like Wilcat89, we wouldn't be dealing with this issue. You don't see much out of Valley, Throck, Ira, etc. Rainjack is a Valkey fan, but his posts usually reflect his views as a fan in general...he'll take on anyone.

What happens so often, is that rather than addressing the behaviors, those that could help stop them spend more time defending them and rationalizing about them. Maybe if the parameters for acceptable behavior were narroed just a little by the powers that be, this conversation would be over.
 
I have seen unsportsmanlike conduct as well but I'm merely saying both teams are guilty of this. I invite you RainJack to the game merely to watch another good game. I don't brag about the loss handed to Valley in the last showing my understanding is that Valley has actually improved their play. Beating a very strong Happy team says a lot to me. I'm looking forward to watching a good football game as I hope you do as well. I second the remarks from 6mansam of course I think we know some behaviors are individual responsibilities blaming a Coach is absurd, but we can save that for Oprah. Go Wildcats! !
 
Last I checked nobody ever heard stories about polite power house football teams were in the 50's, 60's, 70's, or 80's. And just a reminder this is football and not tiddlywinks. Not excusing any ill intent. But I have seen a lot of change in football since I played the game. The game being under a microscope as it is, has not only changed the way the game is played but how it is observed. If your too over-sensitive to play or watch the game stay home. Its a shame that a team who has struggled and fought through one the toughest districts in both 11 man and 6 man through out the years has become such a target for accusations. But since when have the losers been accused of dirty play. I do believe that is why we have refs.
 
I have played against Crowell the only year I felt as if they were "dirty" was back in 2007. And I believe you can't blame a coach for things like this most of the time it is the player for whatever reason hot headed or little man syndrome. This isn't the 50's and 60's any more were coach's give players razor blades to hid under there gloves or punching people in a pile. Just give credit where credit is due this is a good no great football team one of the best in the state. Just let the boys play ball. Go Crowell beat Valley!
 

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