CT6MFL
11-man fan
Better?
Triple Option
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High Plains Drifter
11-man fan
Well the only problem with your diagram is the man with ball cannot run with it yet. In Marathon Veer, the Read back is lined up to the weak side (most of time) as a WB. The man under takes snap and as Read back comes between the Pitch man (guy who took snap) and center and gets ball (this is quick, quick, almost like he takes snap, wink) Now this Read back can run, throw, go get popcorn, whatever. The tailback dives (on straight option) off the outside of guard and meshes with Read back who reads the defense. The man under or Pitch man has pivoted and come out to same side wide and now is the pitch man that the Read back has the option to give it, keep it, and or pitch it to pitch man.
In the O'Brien Veer, (if you do not have your book handy) the Pitch man is under the center and the Option back is behind or slightly to one side of the Pitch man. The FB in I is the Option back, he gets lateral from pitch man and then meshes with TB or Dive back. Again he can give it to Dive back, keep it, or pitch it to option back. Now if in both offenses, if all you have to worry about is the one option, cool, you have a shot. You throw in the hundreds of other things you can do, traps, passes, etc. and makes defense a little more difficult.
Speaking of o'Brien Veer, C.H. Underwood developed this. I never coached against him, though I saw it in action. His assistant Benny Grill took the offense to Benjamin and had tremendous success, I did coach against him. Benny and his teams could lose three or four games until they got all of the things meshing. C.H., I do not know, but do not think so, but how many teams could be 0-4 and continue to have the drive to continue until it worked. How many parents would stay out of it that long. All ways amazed me.
The year Benny coached all star game, he had a young man from Highland who was an Option back, he had a young man from Benjamin who was dive back and he made a Pitch man out of a tremendous athlete. They ran the Veer and did it very well considering they only had a week to get ready and I wish I had a copy of the game.
have seen lots of things, but these two offenses were and are (I guess) capable of putting up lots of points.
In the O'Brien Veer, (if you do not have your book handy) the Pitch man is under the center and the Option back is behind or slightly to one side of the Pitch man. The FB in I is the Option back, he gets lateral from pitch man and then meshes with TB or Dive back. Again he can give it to Dive back, keep it, or pitch it to option back. Now if in both offenses, if all you have to worry about is the one option, cool, you have a shot. You throw in the hundreds of other things you can do, traps, passes, etc. and makes defense a little more difficult.
Speaking of o'Brien Veer, C.H. Underwood developed this. I never coached against him, though I saw it in action. His assistant Benny Grill took the offense to Benjamin and had tremendous success, I did coach against him. Benny and his teams could lose three or four games until they got all of the things meshing. C.H., I do not know, but do not think so, but how many teams could be 0-4 and continue to have the drive to continue until it worked. How many parents would stay out of it that long. All ways amazed me.
The year Benny coached all star game, he had a young man from Highland who was an Option back, he had a young man from Benjamin who was dive back and he made a Pitch man out of a tremendous athlete. They ran the Veer and did it very well considering they only had a week to get ready and I wish I had a copy of the game.
have seen lots of things, but these two offenses were and are (I guess) capable of putting up lots of points.
CT6MFL
11-man fan
The Marathon Veer sounds like what I know as a Wing formation.
High Plains Drifter
11-man fan
But it is unbalanced with Read back to weak side, most of the time.
CT6MFL
11-man fan
ooooooooooohhhh. I wondered how you came up with weak side and strong side. It just didnt click you were talking unbalanced.
CT6MFL
11-man fan
Hard to grasp the O'Brien veer, but heres a couple of visions in my head.
High Plains Drifter
11-man fan
you pretty much got the Marathon Veer. The O'Brien, the option back or fullback in I never moves except to open up to the side the option is going to. (In that it could go either way. and most of the time it was balanced with left end split) This gave the dive back reference to go to his spot with or without ball. Then either keep or pitch.
If might ask, what are you using to draw this stuff. Looks neat.
If might ask, what are you using to draw this stuff. Looks neat.
CT6MFL
11-man fan
Im using Microsoft Publisher. You can find it individualy or within the MS office suite.
When you said that the "end is split out", a light came on. I know now I've had my butt whopped by both of these formations or versions of
Give me a minute. haha and I'll post it.
When you said that the "end is split out", a light came on. I know now I've had my butt whopped by both of these formations or versions of
Give me a minute. haha and I'll post it.
Sancho Panza
11-man fan
To blow it up, you just have to have great penetration. Perhaps out of a 4-2? Or even showing a 3-2-1 and having one of the MLBs shoot the opposite gap as the NG.
CT6MFL
11-man fan
Hope this is it.
This also brings up another good subject; Formation vs Philosophy. I want to say somewhere these formations have been called J-bird and maybe even Dog
Has anyone here seen the 1979 Ole Miss Offense in written form? I stumbles accross a 179 page written version of it last week. It will make some go cucoo. haha If someone wants to check it out, holler and I'll post a link.
This also brings up another good subject; Formation vs Philosophy. I want to say somewhere these formations have been called J-bird and maybe even Dog
Has anyone here seen the 1979 Ole Miss Offense in written form? I stumbles accross a 179 page written version of it last week. It will make some go cucoo. haha If someone wants to check it out, holler and I'll post a link.
CT6MFL
11-man fan
MB your a little late, HPD did that earlier.
.High Plains Drifter
11-man fan
Have seen offense, but still not the O veer. Set up an I formation, balanced line with left end split. The FB is the option back. He never moves till he receives the pitch from QB or option back. Maybe that will help.
CT6MFL
11-man fan
HPD, just draw me some Xs like this and Ill make it pretty
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Dogface
Six-man fan
I tried to draw some x's
but they always bunched up.
but they always bunched up.
High Plains Drifter
11-man fan
what you have there and then move the outside end to left and split him. Close as I can get.
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High Plains Drifter
11-man fan
What I had turned into what you had, ?
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High Plains Drifter
11-man fan
and again.
Run a 5-1 have the one back man on the second option three up locking down the o line the other two outside going hard.
The plan is you'll get in an blow it up before it can get started, take the options away before the give man has time to make a decision.
90 percent of the time you'll whack em in the backfield, the other ten the one man back will drag em down before they get to the endzone
The plan is you'll get in an blow it up before it can get started, take the options away before the give man has time to make a decision.
90 percent of the time you'll whack em in the backfield, the other ten the one man back will drag em down before they get to the endzone
High Plains Drifter
11-man fan
But keep in mind, the option is not the only thing they can do. If they split the man, who has him? Just saying, the person with the pencil last always wins. Ha
