Best 6-Man Passers of all Time

Although its his 1st year playing six-man football(previous 2 years he played at an 11-man school), Zach Bronkhorst, JR QB, High Island should be considered for the list. I believe he will go down as one of the best pure QB's to play six-man.

Here are his stats through 8 games:
74-129 1506 yards 20 TD's 4 INT's 125.2 QBR
 
We are still looking for Stats from Parker Purvis' senior year.
So in the mean time I am posting two more of the top 10 passers of all time according to the stats we have recorded. I think it is great to have a player from 1985 in the top six. Here are the current #6 through #15:
NCAA Rating Rank, NFL Rating Rank, Comp, Att, Yards, TD, INT, NCAA Rating, NFL Rating, Name, Team, Year, Games Played
6 - 23 - 113 - 164 - 2719 - 49 - 7 - 298 - 133 Shannon Forehand Weinert 1985 - 12 or 13
7 - 9 - 80 - 123 - 1673 - 43 - 1 - 293 - 145 Lanham Brown Sr. Throckmorton 2014 - 14
8 - 13 - 66 - 106 - 1641 - 33 - 2 - 291 - 138 Brendon Brawley, Jr. Granbury Cornerstone 2012 - 12
9 - 57 - 78 - 131 - 1892 - 44 - 3 - 287 - 104 Riley Stone, Jr. Blum 2013 - 12
10 - 1 - 69 - 89 - 1247 - 24 - 1 - 282 - 154 Tucker Brown Jr. Throckmorton 2010 - 15
11 - 17 - 104 - 166 - 2338 - 49 - 4 - 274 - 136 Blayne Batla, Jr. Garden City 2009 - 15
12 - 3 - 154 - 211 - 2986 - 52 - 2 - 271 - 151 Mitchell Parsley, Jr Crowell 2013 - 15
13 - 18 - 113 - 178 - 2639 - 46 - 5 - 268 - 135 Bryson Oliver, Jr. Throckmorton 2012 - 15
14 - 11 - 91 - 140 - 1937 - 37 - 2 - 266 - 142 Lyle Campbell, Jr. Gordon 1998 - 13
15 - 8 - 97 - 141 - 1805 - 39 - 2 - 265 - 145 Nicholi Maxwell, Sr. Follett 2014 - 13
 
According to the Waco Tribune:
Brandon Gange from Waco Methodist Children's Home so far this season:
111-175 for 2285 yards; 35 TD's and 3 INT's
 
I still hope we can get stats on Purvis and the total interceptions for Tyler Ethridge - Tyler is for sure one of the top 3, but his total number of interceptions for the season may influence where his stats rank him.

According to the stats we have thus far, here are the 4th - 15th best passers of all time. Of course keep in mind that every player on this list was able to assemble stats of this magnitude because they were part of a successful team that was made up of tremendous team mates lead by quality coaching.

NCAA Rating Rank, NFL Rating Rank, Comp, Att, Yards, TD, INT, NCAA Rating, NFL Rating, Name, Team, Year, Games Played
4 - 4 - 118 - 148 - 2264 - 44 - 3 - 302 - 150 Dakota Woods Sr. Follett 2013 - 14
5 - 10 - 80 - 112 - 1809 - 33 - 3 - 299 - 142 Tucker Brown Sr. Throckmorton 2011 - 14
6 - 23 - 113 - 164 - 2719 - 49 - 7 - 298 - 133 Shannon Forehand Weinert 1985 - 12 or 13
7 - 9 - 80 - 123 - 1673 - 43 - 1 - 293 - 145 Lanham Brown Sr. Throckmorton 2014 - 14
8 - 13 - 66 - 106 - 1641 - 33 - 2 - 291 - 138 Brendon Brawley, Jr. Granbury Cornerstone 2012 - 12
9 - 57 - 78 - 131 - 1892 - 44 - 3 - 287 - 104 Riley Stone, Jr. Blum 2013 - 12
10 - 1 - 69 - 89 - 1247 - 24 - 1 - 282 - 154 Tucker Brown Jr. Throckmorton 2010 - 15
11 - 17 - 104 - 166 - 2338 - 49 - 4 - 274 - 136 Blayne Batla, Jr. Garden City 2009 - 15
12 - 3 - 154 - 211 - 2986 - 52 - 2 - 271 - 151 Mitchell Parsley, Jr Crowell 2013 - 15
13 - 18 - 113 - 178 - 2639 - 46 - 5 - 268 - 135 Bryson Oliver, Jr. Throckmorton 2012 - 15
14 - 11 - 91 - 140 - 1937 - 37 - 2 - 266 - 142 Lyle Campbell, Jr. Gordon 1998 - 13
15 - 8 - 97 - 141 - 1805 - 39 - 2 - 265 - 145 Nicholi Maxwell, Sr. Follett 2014 - 13
 
According to the stats we have currently, here are the Best Passers we have ranked from #3 to to #15.

NCAA Rating Rank, NFL Rating Rank, Comp, Att, Yards, TD, INT, NCAA Rating, NFL Rating, Name, Team, Year, Games Played
3 - 6 - 57 - 72 - 1147 - 24 - 2 - 317 - 147 Chance Bush Sr. Richland Springs 2012 - 15
4 - 4 - 118 - 148 - 2264 - 44 - 3 - 302 - 150 Dakota Woods Sr. Follett 2013 - 14
5 - 10 - 80 - 112 - 1809 - 33 - 3 - 299 - 142 Tucker Brown Sr. Throckmorton 2011 - 14
6 - 23 - 113 - 164 - 2719 - 49 - 7 - 298 - 133 Shannon Forehand Weinert 1985 - 12 or 13
7 - 9 - 80 - 123 - 1673 - 43 - 1 - 293 - 145 Lanham Brown Sr. Throckmorton 2014 - 14
8 - 13 - 66 - 106 - 1641 - 33 - 2 - 291 - 138 Brendon Brawley, Jr. Granbury Cornerstone 2012 - 12
9 - 57 - 78 - 131 - 1892 - 44 - 3 - 287 - 104 Riley Stone, Jr. Blum 2013 - 12
10 - 1 - 69 - 89 - 1247 - 24 - 1 - 282 - 154 Tucker Brown Jr. Throckmorton 2010 - 15
11 - 17 - 104 - 166 - 2338 - 49 - 4 - 274 - 136 Blayne Batla, Jr. Garden City 2009 - 15
12 - 3 - 154 - 211 - 2986 - 52 - 2 - 271 - 151 Mitchell Parsley, Jr Crowell 2013 - 15
13 - 18 - 113 - 178 - 2639 - 46 - 5 - 268 - 135 Bryson Oliver, Jr. Throckmorton 2012 - 15
14 - 11 - 91 - 140 - 1937 - 37 - 2 - 266 - 142 Lyle Campbell, Jr. Gordon 1998 - 13
15 - 8 - 97 - 141 - 1805 - 39 - 2 - 265 - 145 Nicholi Maxwell, Sr. Follett 2014 - 13
 
??? ??? 122 158 (77%) 2072 33 3 252 150 Gabriel Loehr, Sr. Summit 2015 10

Also rushed for 1834 yds, 17 yds/att, 28 TD's

388 passing 7 Td's, 306 rushing 5 Td's, 27 receiving, 721 ttl yds, this week vs. Bracken

Playoffs remain...
 
Very impressive. Thank you for sharing these. Please keep us up to date as the season progresses and most of all please post his year end stats. Does he play for Cedar Park Summit?
 
Chance Bush is in a virtual tie for the 2nd best passer of all time. In order to calculate both the NCAA & NFL passer ratings the number of interceptions is required. This is a stat that has not always been kept in the official stats & one that we don't have a for sure count on for Tyler Ethridge. It is believed that he has somewhere between 6 and 9 interceptions. If Tyler has anywhere between 9 and 21 interceptions on the season, then he ranks 3rd in the NCAA Rankings. If he has anywhere between 0 & 8 then he stands alone as the 2nd best passer of all time in the current standings. So for now, unofficially we are posting Tyler as 3rd with 9 interceptions.

NCAA Rating Rank, NFL Rating Rank, Comp, Att, Yards, TD, INT, NCAA Rating, NFL Rating, Name, Team, Year, Games Played
2 - 6 - 57 - 72 - 1147 - 24 - 2 - 317 - 147 Chance Bush Sr. Richland Springs 2012 - 15
3 - 26 - 116 - 154 - 2491 - 55 - 9 - 317.37 - 132 Tyler Ethridge Sr. Richland Springs 2007 - 14
4 - 4 - 118 - 148 - 2264 - 44 - 3 - 302.28 - 150 Dakota Woods Sr. Follett 2013 - 14
5 - 10 - 80 - 112 - 1809 - 33 - 3 - 299 - 142 Tucker Brown Sr. Throckmorton 2011 - 14
6 - 22 - 113 - 164 - 2719 - 49 - 7 - 298 - 133 Shannon Forehand Weinert 1985 - 12 or 13
7 - 9 - 80 - 123 - 1673 - 43 - 1 - 293 - 145 Lanham Brown Sr. Throckmorton 2014 - 14
8 - 13 - 66 - 106 - 1641 - 33 - 2 - 291 - 138 Brendon Brawley, Jr. Granbury Cornerstone 2012 - 12
9 - 57 - 78 - 131 - 1892 - 44 - 3 - 287 - 104 Riley Stone, Jr. Blum 2013 - 12
10 - 1 - 69 - 89 - 1247 - 24 - 1 - 282 - 154 Tucker Brown Jr. Throckmorton 2010 - 15
11 - 17 - 104 - 166 - 2338 - 49 - 4 - 274 - 136 Blayne Batla, Jr. Garden City 2009 - 15
12 - 3 - 154 - 211 - 2986 - 52 - 2 - 271 - 151 Mitchell Parsley, Jr Crowell 2013 - 15
13 - 18 - 113 - 178 - 2639 - 46 - 5 - 268 - 135 Bryson Oliver, Jr. Throckmorton 2012 - 15
14 - 11 - 91 - 140 - 1937 - 37 - 2 - 266 - 142 Lyle Campbell, Jr. Gordon 1998 - 13
15 - 8 - 97 - 141 - 1805 - 39 - 2 - 265 - 145 Nicholi Maxwell, Sr. Follett 2014 - 13
 
Twenty-four TDs is second best...?? You have lost ur mind Kimo Sabe. If the calculation is correct, it just committed integrity suicide.

Chance Bush was a good, real good player for several years. However, he was the offensive QB/SB for just one year. Based on that fact, and his sparse statistics, he cannot be ranked anywhere close to the top. Bush is not even the second best passer in recent RS history, let alone state wide. Guys like Ethridge, Burkhart, Tharp, and Reeves were better passers. Howard of May, the kid from Sanderson, Happy's Kimberling, GCs Batla and both Woods boys at Follett were vastly superior to Bush. and many more were better for muitiple years . Your formula is a poor method for evaluating the best passers .
Don't forget common sense when evaluating.
 
There have been numerous threads through the years on this website that have discussed opinions of who the best players have been in a variety of positions. The one thing these previous threads have lacked is a statistical method to bring some sort of validation to everyone's opinions. Therefore this thread was started in an effort to use the two most proven passer rating formulas to evaluate passers in the NCAA & NFL. These formulas do an excellent job of evaluating passer efficiency. Here are some additional ways to evaluate their effectiveness as a passer.

NCAA Rating, - NFL Rating, - Comp / Attempt - Yards / Attempt - TD / Attempt - INT / Attempt - Name, Team, Year,
317 - 147 - 79% - 16 - .33 - .03 - Chance Bush Sr. Richland Springs 2012
317 - 132 - 75% - 16 - .36 - .06 - Tyler Ethridge Sr. Richland Springs 2007
302 - 150 - 80% - 15 - .30 - .02 - Dakota Woods Sr. Follett 2013
299 - 142 - 71% - 16 - .29 - .03 - Tucker Brown Sr. Throckmorton 2011
298 - 133 - 69% - 17 - .30 - .04 - Shannon Forehand Weinert 1985
293 - 145 - 65% - 14 - .35 - .01 - Lanham Brown Sr. Throckmorton 2014
291 - 138 - 62% - 15 - .31 - .02 - Brendon Brawley, Jr. Granbury Cornerstone 2012
287 - 104 - 60% - 14 - .34 - .02 - Riley Stone, Jr. Blum 2013
282 - 154 - 78% - 14 - .27 - .01 - Tucker Brown Jr. Throckmorton 2010
274 - 136 - 63% - 14 - .30 - .02 - Blayne Batla, Jr. Garden City 2009
271 - 151 - 73% - 14 - .25 - .01 - Mitchell Parsley, Jr Crowell 2013
268 - 135 - 63% - 15 - .26 - .03 - Bryson Oliver, Jr. Throckmorton 2012
266 - 142 - 65% - 14 - .26 - .01 - Lyle Campbell, Jr. Gordon 1998
265 - 145 - 69% - 13 - .28 - .01 - Nicholi Maxwell, Sr. Follett 2014

If anyone sees an error in these calculations, please let us know.This thread is not meant to be a place to bash any player, but instead to highlight those that have excelled in the game. I never saw Bush play, but according to his stats - he is definitely one of the best passers of all time.

However these formulas do no account for are their ability to run the ball nor their ability to lead their team to victory. I would love it for someone to start another thread to come up with a list of the best players of all time. You have sure listed some of the great ones in my opinion. What stats would you use to validate these & compare them?
 
Just on the surface I can say that several things about this means of measuring does not measure true ability nor accurate comparisons.
Lyle Campbell played on one of the most unathletic teams to ever win a six-man football championship. I watched three of his playoff games in person and two regular season games on tape. These five games showed in vivid shocking detail how half his teammates (not Kite or Johnson) dropped almost half the balls thrown to their hands. Literally, versus Panther Creek Campbell had six or seven passes dropped to receivers who were facing the thrower when the ball arrived. Stationary patterns. In 2012 Dakota's receivers dropped about 30% of all passes thrown to them. During the 2005 football season I would estimate that Tyler's targets dropped 25% of passes that hit them in the hands. Not referring to poorly thrown incompletions. Darius Kimberling had dozens of balls dropped in the three films and one live game I watched.

Another inaccuracy I see is the lack of passes attempted. Someone who throws fewer than say 100 passes for a single year will not have enough attempts to warrant comparison to those who throw 150 or 200 passes for three or four seasons. . Throwing less than 30 TDs cannot be compared to someone who consistently puts up numbers in the 40s, 50s and even 60 TDs.

Longevity should be a major element in comparing passers. Guys like Tanner and Dakota Woods, Lyle Campbell, Howard of May and Tyler at RS who played QB for four years, completing hundreds of passes and completing a hundred and two hundred scores is proof of their ability way beyond anyone who manages 50 or 60 completions and 25 TDs in one year of varsity passing. How can you realistically compare someone's throwing ability for one year with so many who threw with the same results for three or four years?

It would be better and more accurate to factor in a survey of the top coaches of the last twenty years to find out their opinions of who the best passers, rushers, receivers and defenders have been over those years. If you interviewed say ten or twenty coaches and eliminated the player or players they coached, that information would be much more accurate than using statistics only as a measuring tool.
Who are some top coaches? That's easy to identify. Here are a few in no particular order:
Vance Jones, Nelson Campbell, Mitch Lee, Dewaine Lee, Jerry Burkhart, Karry Owens, Brett Tyler, Mike Reid, Doyle Clawson, Bobby Avery, Trey Richey, Mike Bigham, Coylin Grimes, Toby Goodwin, Craig Steele, Nathan Hayes, Clyde Parham. I could go on and on.
 
Well I was 12 of 14 for 375 yards 3 td's and 0 interceptions my jr year that's a pretty efficient passers-by but nowhere near best ALL TIME PASSER.....shouldn't this be numbers of a complete 3 or 4 year career.....not just a season?

Just curious
 
In compiling this list we did require a minimum of at least 1000 yards in passing Which makes the list pretty short. In fact we only have 61 passers stats that threw for at least 1000 yards in a season. Some are on the list for 2, 3 & even 4 years.
There is only 1 player with over 4000 yards passing in a season.
5 with over 300 yards passing in a season and
20 with over 2000 yards passing in a season.

You are so right that the strength of your team makes a passer look much better. Quality receivers combined with a strong running game & strong blockers definitely help a passer & a team look much better. I am open for any and all suggestions of how to accurately adjust the ratings based on the strength of the team. The differences in team strength in Six-man teams can be very large.

I would love it if the list of coaches you presented put together a list of their top 15 passers of all time and scored them from 0 to 100 based on their opinion of how good they were as a passer.

It would also be neat to see them score (from 0 to 100) their top 15 passers of all time based on their ability as an overall offensive player: passing, rushing, blocking, catching, leading etc.

This is fun. Let's get some of these lists together. If some coaches like these you mentioned would take some time & study their lesson really hard & score them from 0 to 100. Then we could average those scores to come up with a statistical way to average their ratings and come up with a list based on the group's opinion.

I would also love to see them score/rate the top 15 players of all time for their career. Listing them by career will get some great players for sure. However it may leave out some players that were a year younger than a 4 year starter like Tyler Ethridge. I think the QB for Crowell is a current example of someone who is an outstanding player, but didn't get to show his stuff for his first three years because he was playing behind Mitchell Parsley.

We sincerely appreciate these constructive and creative thoughts of how to come up with a quality list of the best players of all time.
 
Do you think strength of schedule can have an impact on passer ratings.

Another requirement we implemented for this list is that all games had to be varsity vs varsity.
 
For year by year stats, I believe that you have some pretty good numbers. Chance W. Bush was a very good passer, but a lot of his success had to do with the defense fearing his running ability. If you have access to the 2012 State game video you will see what I mean. His only year as spreadback was his senior year because he backed up another great spreadback, Denim Reeves. I actually believe that Denim could be in your top ten with his two perfect seasons and back to back state championships. Denim should also be congratulated for his courage and bravery as he is now serving in the special forces overseas in our armed forces.
There is only one Tyler Earl. He was a one of a kind. From his Freshman year through his Senior year, he was a pure player. His love of the game was his motivation. He loved making the key block to spring the running back for a score just as much as he loved scoring or passing for the score himself. BE is justifiably proud and I don't blame him. Tyler's kind only comes along once in a lifetime.
 
Wish we had some stats on Whitharral's Barker who was part of that 2001 state championship squad. That boy's arm had distance and accuracy rarely seen in high school football. I say that without checking all the lists already posted on this topic.

Colt McCook?? McCoy?? of Borden County was not bad either.

Guys, I don't promote my son because he is my son. That's gospel. No one made Tyler earn his stripes more than I did. You can ask Jerry B. When it was time to set our starters in place for Ty's freshman season, I told Jerry that Tyler would be backup for one of our seniors. He just looked me in the eyes disbelievingly and said, "Coach, you do what you think best. But I'm telling you right now that boy is my starting linebacker on defense." I felt a lump of stupid swelling up in my throat about then. My concern was our four seniors who were the backbone of our team that year. Before Tyler played QB/SB he would have to wait his turn.
The Spreadback job belonged to the senior class until they proved they could not do it the way I wanted it commanded. So for two scrimmages and the first six minutes of the season opener versus Cherokee Tyler was a receiver .

I promote more than just Tyler at the QB/SB position. Campbell and Woods were high quality passers. Thweatt was a super thrower who had the best arm in 2000, bar none. He was second only to Campbell in '99. Thweatt would have thrown for 2500 to 3000 yards and 50 to 55 TDs in our RS and Follett offenses.

I will offer a comment that will shock some and some will call me a liar. I did not truly realize how good Tyler actually was until after his sophomore season. The Youtube films of Earl's freshman year are the worst examples of his ability , except for the state game against Valley. I rarely turned him loose to take over a game. And it was for the simple reason that he usually did not have to take over our games in 2004. We had several players capable of doing that at other positions. Therefore Tyler was the funnel. In the playoffs I let him take over for ten or twelve plays in the first half against Strawn; a few first half plays and eight or ten snaps in the second half versus Aspermont; ten or twelve plays in the Throck game; and the entire Valley game. That's why some coaches were a little surprised when they got on the field with him in the playoffs. And I was catching hell from my dad and Coach Clawson leading up to the state championship for not letting go of the reins on Tyler. In fact, my dad informed me that if I didn't release Tyler from the first play, Valley would beat our asses. Turned out he was probably correct. After the first three or four scripted plays flopped miserably, I cut the bridal and let him do Options and sweeps the rest of the game, mostly.
 
You cant rely on just one measuring tool. There are too many six-man variables that can make it unreliable.
Here is an example. In six-man even a mediocre player can put up stellar numbers. In one all-district coaches' meeting, while we were nominating and promoting our players for recognition, one coach was using his kid's passing stats to justify putting him on the first team QB list. The kid had some fine stats in both passing and rushing. In fact his numbers were higher than anyone from Highland and Ira. Of course based on those stats that player looked worthy of all-district recognition. A closer look made us realize that the kid was also playing some of the weakest teams in the panhandle, including two JV teams. So while the kids from Highland and Ira were accumulating impressive numbers against teams like Whitharral and Borden County, the statistical leader stoked his with competition against the Whitharral and BC JV.
See my point. A kid who puts up 200 yards rushing or passing and seven TDs vs weak competition like Three Way and Star cant manage a third of that vs a top twenty team.

To clarify, based just on stats some players appear better than they truly were. So in six-man it behooves one to consider more than an NFL rating system. I hesitate to repeat what folks in 11-man and at Dave Campbell's Magazine have said in the past...six-man dynamics place us in a totally different category. When you can break the national TD record by throwing to your Center, that's a huge difference. When a kid throws for 10,000 yards during a four year career and played in only 13 full games, that's a different category. Sccoring 8 or 10 TDs against Samnorwood cant be compared to doing the same versus Valley and Calvert.
By extension of this point, having a high rating for one year cant be compared to those fellows who did the same for three or four years. By further extension, we cannot put 90% of past players, regardless of their statistics, in the same category as a Lyle Campbell or Josh Thweatt.

Despite all this, there are exceptions. David Digby of Hermleigh could have starred for teams like Highland and Panther Creek back in the '98 thru 2000 football seasons. He would have been a stud at any school he played for, including Snyder. Robby Anderson, coach at Hermleigh today, was a stud for them while they tried 11-man. I tried to get his mother to move to RS in 2004 and 2005. Her employer had an office in San Saba just 15 miles from Richland. Robby would have made our 2005 squad 20 or 30 points better.
Because of where they played football, you will never find them on a "greatest list".
 
We started compiling these stats after the Championship games last December. Thanks to everyone on this site who has helped us gather stats on so many players. We hope these stats will continue to come in on current year players as well as players from the past. With over 13,000 views on this thread we hope people will do some digging to find stats on other top players from the past.

We also challenge everyone to come up with a new and improved method to rank top players (and top teams for that matter) to be able to compare them through the years. The reality is that we will never see these players or teams from different years play each other. But the intention of this thread was to use the most accurate and proven methods we could find in the sport of football to rank passers. We would also like someone to compile a list of other top players through the years & even better - a list of the top teams through the years.

Through out the years that have been numerous threads sharing opinions about who the best players where of all time, but I don't know of any other list compiled using statistics to validate the process. There is plenty of room for discussion as to which method is the best way to identify the top passers, players and teams. There is also no doubt that there are many top players through the years that have been extremely talented, but maybe they were not surrounded by great team mates and or great coaching to be able to show their abilities. This is true at all levels of the sport all the way to the NFL. Injuries are another limiting factor for some players. The dynamics of the sport of six-man football (45 point rule, significant difference in strengths of schedule, etc) make it more challenging. However, I again ask for any and all input as to a more bonafide method of selection for this list.

As we started compiling this list we anticipated that Tyler Ethridge would be at the top and the reality is that he is one of the top passers of all time and in many people's opinion will go down in history as one of the greatest six-man players of all time. So use this list with your opinions and realize that this list does identify the following:
1) The best passers of all time in a season with at least 1000 yards passing in the season with all games being varsity vs varsity that have complete stats.
2) It includes all passers regardless of their age, race, color, creed, team, division, private or public, or even what state they played.
3) These players played on great teams that had long runs into the playoffs and many won State Championships.
4) They were very accurate in their passing
5) Their ratio of their TD's to Completions and Interceptions vs Completions are all very impressive.

Feel free to rank them in your mind using either the NCAA or NFL or both methods in combination with any method you have to compile a list of the best passers of all time.

The one that none of you have seen yet is who is the #1 BEST PASSER OF ALL TIME. The reality is that according to the NCAA Rating System or an average of NCAA & NFL rating systems - no one else comes close to what this young man has done.

Any guesses?
 
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