Best 6-Man Passers of all Time

All the stats in the world do not matter unless QB is winner. I have had several whose stats would not put them anywhere on list, but they fit what was trying to do at the time, so were the ones for me. Just saying
 
What is that op based on, Johnny?

That's a good point HP Drifter. To be a great team there must be a great QB. Unless all he does is funnel the ball to his great RB, then you require a good QB. That is where stats come in. At the high school level a great QB should have accomplished a state championship, or at the minimum a runner-up finish during his career. If not they probably have a little crack in their character which opens up like San Andreas when the game gets hot. And that prevents them from getting to the top. Have coached a couple who suffered from that.

In 1999 some fine QBs competed against Gordon...PCs Thweatt, RS had one whose name I cant recall, Cummings maybe. Groom had a dandy also. But all three fell to the team with the best player and ball carrier...Lyle Campbell.

In 2000 the best QB played for state champ Panther Creek, Josh Thweatt.
In 2002 the best QB was Ty Means for state runner=up Sanderson, with Calvert's Kinney a close 2nd best.
Look at several more:
2003 Strawn's Hinkson was super, Ft Davis had Liddell who played much SB
2004 found Tyler Earl and Valley's Barrett
2005 was Braxton Oliver
2006-2007 was Ethridge and Spitzer ( in my opinion Saucedo could have gone SB)
2008 was Strawn's Abbott
2009-2010 GCs Batla
2010-2011 D-2 was Denim Reeves
Only two or three great QBs were missing from the state games those years and they were 2003 Ty Means, 2005 Tyler Ethridge and Tanner Woods and Happy's Kimberling in 2007.
 
Tanner Woods is one of the exceptions to making it to the big dance. Not in person, through three or four scout films it was obvious he was a dandy. Too much direct-snap offense though, which prevented him from showcasing his double-threat. No longer in Follett so I can say honestly that Tanner had very little help offensively. Had one receiver who was a threat. After watching one quarter of the first tape it was apparent they were the weakest team we scouted. But his talent alone kept me watching all the film we had received. I think I took it home over the weekend and used it for a play or two we used in the semi-finals against Throckmorton.
 
BE, that opinion is based on the loaded question, "Who was the Best 6-man Passer of all Time?" And the criteria that is being used. There is no strength of schedule involved that I can see. It does not ask about being a great quarterback or spreadback. Just completions, attempts, touchdowns,etc. Playing 4 quarters compared to 2 quarters against a weak team can bring an unknown into the picture. Not that Strand was unknown, he was one of the best of his time and if I remember correctly, Greenville was primarily a passing offense.
At the beginning of this thread, I presumed they were looking for opinions of unsung pure passers, whether he was backed up by championship quality players or not.
If the question was Best Spreadback or Best All-Around Player, Tyler would be my hands down pick. In my opinion, any of Tylers 4 teams would have beaten Lyle Campbells 1999 team. 2007 would have 45'd them. IMHO
 
Strand in 2004 put up some amazing stats relative to total number of completions & yards. However we don't know how many interceptions he had for that season.
Comp, - Att, - Yards, - TD, - INT, - NCAA Rating, - NFL Rating, - Comp / Attempt - Yards / Attempt - TD / Attempt - INT / Attempt - Name, Team, Year,
270 - 447 - 4438 84 - ? - ? - ? - 60% - 10 - .19 - ? - Nate Strand Greenville Christian 2004
 
However his pass completion percentage and yards per catch don't compare. Hypothetically speaking, if he only had 5 interceptions it would rank him 40th in the NCAA Ratings.
 
Take a look to see how this list ranks up when it comes to winning, Coaches selections on All State Honors, and Granger's overall ranking at year end.
NCAA Rating Rank, - NFL Rating Rank, - Granger Overall year end team rank - Games Played - All State Honors - Champs - Name, Team, Year,
2 - 6 - 2 - 15 - POY D2 - State - Chance Bush Sr. Richland Springs 2012
3 - 27 - 1 - 14 - POY D1 - State - Tyler Ethridge Sr. Richland Springs 2007
4 - 4 - 3 - 14 - Off MVP - D2 - Quarter Finals - Dakota Woods Sr. Follett 2013
5 - 10 - 2 - 14 - POY - D1 - State - Tucker Brown Sr. Throckmorton 2011
6 - 23 - ? - 10 - ? - Quarter Finals - Shannon Forehand Weinert 1985
7 - 9 - 2 - 14 - QB - State - Lanham Brown Sr. Throckmorton 2014
8 - 13 - 148 - 12 - None - ? - Brendon Brawley, Jr. Granbury Cornerstone 2012
9 - 57 - 21 - 12 - 2nd T QB - D1 - Bi-Dist - Riley Stone, Jr. Blum 2013
10 - 1 - 3 - 15 - 2nd T QB D1 - Simi Finals - Tucker Brown Jr. Throckmorton 2010
11 - 17 - 1 - 15 - 2nd T QB - D1 - State - Blayne Batla, Soph Garden City 2009
12 - 3 - 1 - 15 - POY - D1 - State - Mitchell Parsley, Jr Crowell 2013
13 - 18 - 1 - 15 - QB - State - Bryson Oliver, Jr. Throckmorton 2012
14 - 11 - 5 - 13 - None - Regional - Lyle Campbell, Jr. Gordon 1998
15 - 8 - 22 - 13 - 2nd T SB D2 - Regional - Nicholi Maxwell, Sr. Follett 2014
16 - 32 - 4 - 13 - Off MVP - D1 - Regional - Lance Morris, Sr. Ira 2011
17 - 5 - 8 - 10 - None - 8-2 - Bryson Oliver, Sr. Throckmorton 2013
18 - 19 - 1 - 15 - QB - State - Braxton Oliver Throckmorton 2005
19 - 50 - 25 - 11 - None - None - Zach Digby, Jr. Hermlegh 2013
20 - 20 - 1 - 15 - QB - D1 - State - Blayne Batla, Jr. Garden City 2010
21 - 7 - 1 - 14 - SB - State - Lyle Campbell, Sr. Gordon 1999
22 - 12 - 44 - 13 - HM QB D2 - Bi-Dist - David Alonso, Jr. Mount Calm 2014
23 - 34 - 3 - 15 - HM Util Back - D1 - Simi Finals - Tanner Richey, Jr. Borden County 2011
24 - 25 - 57 - 11 - ? - Bi-Dist - Slade Coulter, SOPH. Jayton 2013
25 - 14 - 53 - 11 - - - Joey Rosamond Azle Christian 2014

Here are the top 2 through 25


NCAA Rating Rank, - NFL Rating Rank, - Comp, - Att, - Yards, - TD, - INT, - NCAA Rating, - NFL Rating, - Comp / Attempt - Yards / Attempt - TD / Attempt - INT / Attempt - Name, Team, Year,
2 - 6 - 57 - 72 - 1147 - 24 - 2 - 317 - 147 - 79% - 16 - .33 - .03 - Chance Bush Sr. Richland Springs 2012
3 - 27 - 116 - 154 - 2491 - 55 - 9 - 317 - 132 - 75% - 16 - .36 - .06 - Tyler Ethridge Sr. Richland Springs 2007
4 - 4 - 118 - 148 - 2264 - 44 - 3 - 302 - 150 - 80% - 15 - .30 - .02 - Dakota Woods Sr. Follett 2013
5 - 10 - 80 - 112 - 1809 - 33 - 3 - 299 - 142 - 71% - 16 - .29 - .03 - Tucker Brown Sr. Throckmorton 2011
6 - 23 - 113 - 164 - 2719 - 49 - 7 - 298 - 133 - 69% - 17 - .30 - .04 - Shannon Forehand Weinert 1985
7 - 9 - 80 - 123 - 1673 - 43 - 1 - 293 - 145 - 65% - 14 - .35 - .01 - Lanham Brown Sr. Throckmorton 2014
8 - 13 - 66 - 106 - 1641 - 33 - 2 - 291 - 138 - 62% - 15 - .31 - .02 - Brendon Brawley, Jr. Granbury Cornerstone 2012
9 - 57 - 78 - 131 - 1892 - 44 - 3 - 287 - 104 - 60% - 14 - .34 - .02 - Riley Stone, Jr. Blum 2013
10 - 1 - 69 - 89 - 1247 - 24 - 1 - 282 - 154 - 78% - 14 - .27 - .01 - Tucker Brown Jr. Throckmorton 2010
11 - 17 - 104 - 166 - 2338 - 49 - 4 - 274 - 136 - 63% - 14 - .30 - .02 - Blayne Batla, Soph Garden City 2009
12 - 3 - 154 - 211 - 2986 - 52 - 2 - 271 - 151 - 73% - 14 - .25 - .01 - Mitchell Parsley, Jr Crowell 2013
13 - 18 - 113 - 178 - 2639 - 46 - 5 - 268 - 135 - 63% - 15 - .26 - .03 - Bryson Oliver, Jr. Throckmorton 2012
14 - 11 - 91 - 140 - 1937 - 37 - 2 - 266 - 142 - 65% - 14 - .26 - .01 - Lyle Campbell, Jr. Gordon 1998
15 - 8 - 97 - 141 - 1805 - 39 - 2 - 265 - 145 - 69% - 13 - .28 - .01 - Nicholi Maxwell, Sr. Follett 2014
16 - 32 - 45 - 72 - 1120 - 17 - 3 - 263 - 128 - 63% - 16 - .24 - .04 - Lance Morris, Sr. Ira 2011
17 - 5 - 65 - 93 - 1184 - 23 - 1 - 256 - 148 - 70% - 13 - .25 - .01 - Bryson Oliver, Sr. Throckmorton 2013
18 - 19 - 74 - 130 - 1652 - 36 - 2 - 252 - 135 - 57% 13 - .28 - .02 Braxton Oliver Throckmorton 2005
19 - 50 - 54 - 77 - 1080 - 19 - 7 - 251 - 114 - 70% - 14 - .25 - .09 - Zach Digby, Jr. Hermlegh 2013
20 - 20 - 130 - 202 - 2480 - 52 - 6 - 246 - 134 - 64% - 12 - .26 - .03 - Blayne Batla, Jr. Garden City 2010
21 - 7 - 119 - 182 - 2437 - 38 - 1 - 246 - 146 - 65% - 13 - .21 - .01 - Lyle Campbell, Sr. Gordon 1999
22 - 12 - 151 - 219 - 2902 - 46 - 5 - 245 - 142 - 69% - 13 - .21 - .02 - David Alonso, Jr. Mount Calm 2014
23 - 34 - 91 - 151 - 1866 - 37 - 6 - 237 - 127 - 60% - 12 - .25 - .04 - Tanner Richey, Jr. Borden County 2011
24 - 25 - 67 - 110 - 1384 - 23 - 3 - 230 - 133 - 61% - 13 - .21 - .03 - Slade Coulter, SOPH. Jayton 2013

Any more guesses on who will be #1?
 
I dig that.
I talked to Stacy Womack once or twice. He was the amazing running back for Trinidad the same years Tyler played. I will give him a call on the Strand kid. I could be mistaken when I say his Trojan team played Greenville a couple times during his four years. I know one film I watched between Trinidad and Greenville showcased a salty QB who was ripping the Trojan defense the first half. Things turned quickly in the second stanza.

Womack was the best six-man running back I ever saw live or taped. The kid had it all. We watched films of him beginning his sophomore year, and was exceedingly impressed and even a little alarmed by his abilities. Just between me and the fence post, Tyler once mentioned that he would love to play his senior year with Stacey and the Trojans. Wouldn't that have been a sight. Brianna shot the idea down at the last minute. It was hard explaining to their board members we were staying.

If you want to see the best six-man running back play against the best defense in 2007, get a copy of that game. It was amazing from both offense and defensive perspectives.
 
Hello my studs. I think I read the Game of Thrones books faster than I read this thread.

I'm not sure this would change my opinion but I would be curious as to what the stats of players and victories only taking into account opponents in the top 15. I've been around the block to long to know that stats in Sixman have to many sides to that rubrics cube to even take into account. However. I know that they are vital in the comparisons of players to a certain degree. But I think you come closer by taking out the teams not in top 15. Some players on that list may not have only played 1 team during their season ranked that high. And if they played under a coach with balanced run to pass or a majority passing team. Stats will be way inflated our under flatted. But when you play a top 15 team for the most part. Your show your strengths and talent as a whole when looking at stats. For example. If a player rushed for 22 times and 300 yds and threw 10 times for 175 yds. And then you look at multiple games and see what made that player good was more his legs. But when you look at teams outside the top 15 he won't run as much and passes for more. Just my thoughts.

In Sixman passing is the X factor to taking a team to the next level. So I think having said that. If you were to be considered the greatest Sixman passer then you would have needed to win a state championship or dating back to 70's then at least regionals.

Who their coach was is a huge deal to. Jt Spitzer for me as I grew as a coach would have had even more stellar of stats. Not that he is the greatest. But that the style of offense does factor in. I might say a kid that plays for Kerry Owens who has maybe 900 yds less than s Vance Jones player. Might could say Kerry's kid is better. I have my thoughts on the best passers that I've seen in person or film from 1992 to current. Running back and receivers. But it's just an opinion that doesn't carry much weight. Even though I think my $2 is worth $30.
 
Interesting perspective. Thanks for sharing.
What you say makes a lot of sense. However, I must say that your suggestion puts a whole new twist on the stats gathering. Most of the stats I have are for the entire year and not game by game. Do you know of a good resource to finding stats for individual games (historically?)
 
I will start with the top 10 players on the list right now & see if I can figure out how many games were against teams that ended the season in the top 15. Would you recommend top 15 overall or top 15 by division or top 30 overall?
 
HP Drifter":3mcrut9r said:
All the stats in the world do not matter unless QB is winner. I have had several whose stats would not put them anywhere on list, but they fit what was trying to do at the time, so were the ones for me. Just saying
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Stats are hardly the true measure of a player, for many different reasons. Nor are championships. Football is the ultimate team sport where success is dependent on each man doing his job for every play.
But stats are fun....
 
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Hello my studs. I think I read the Game of Thrones books faster than I read this thread.
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You've read the Game of Thrones series....? I think I'm disappointed....or possibly disenfranchised.....
 
I might have exaggerated a bit, I barely read the jokes inside of Bazooka bubble gum. However, I have been on a Walking Dead series kick, but that doesn't involve reading.

Boys 2 men, I would say just top 15 overall, not by division. And having access or getting the materials to individual game stats vs top 15 teams for all Qbs mentioned in the topic is going to be a feat.

And there is so many variables to look at. For example, Tucker Brown from Throckmorton was bout as good as they come at so many areas of the game. He would have rated out as a better QB than his brother Lanham, however the topic of best 6 man passers he would probably edge his brother out in that area, but not in the overall category.

There was a kid maybe around the 2007 time frame from St. Albans academy, when i was at Rule we played them in Woodson. Has to be in the conversation.

I would like Harley to exclude any kids he's coached and give me his top 5.
 
Okay Mike, here are my top five without those I have helped coach.
I changed my top five I posted on page 10 of this topic only because of the prerequisite of making it to a state championship. I have also taken the time to watch three films of Crowell, again. And the same experience I have had with Tyler I must now admit applies to Mitchell...evaluation skyrocketed. These are based on only those I have personally watched either from the opposite sideline or in the stands.

1. Lyle Campbell, Gordon 1996-1999
2. Josh Thweatt, Panther Creek 1997-2000
3. Mitchell Parsley, Crowell 2011-2014
4. Jordan Barker, Whitharral 1999-2002
5. Blayne Batla, Garden City 2008-2011

Super Honorable Mention to Tucker Brown. And Nathan Howard of May. Nathan because had he not collided with RS in the 2005, 2006 and 2007 playoffs, he might have played in a state game or two.

But I loved Brandon Purcell's game. Darius Kimberling's also. It was while watching Purcell I awoke to the realization that the six-man spreadback could be the ultimate D-killer. And later verified by Campbell.
 
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