What are the differences and similarities?

[goku_254]

i personally know how it is to go from six man to 11 man. What do you guys think? Could a six man player dominate in a 5A school? Growing up six man my whole life basically it was a struggle and intimidating

 

[BE]

Could a six-man player dominate...? Throw out the word dominate and inject excel and hell yes. Dominate is too difficult a term even with all-state 5A players. I watched all the televised 11-man state championship games this year, and most of the teams had no dominating player. The ones that did won the game, except for Brock who defeated the team who had a dominating running back who left the game early in the third quarter with an injury and didn't return.

Ninety-five per cent or more six-man players couldn't excel at the 5A level. But that five per cent would be among the top players of most 5A schools.

Chudej (forgive me Cujo), Farquars (both), Parsons, Campbell, Simpson, Paul Green, Darius Smith,a couple of Fords from Calvert, Hoskins, Thweatt, Freeman, the two RBs from Strawn on the 2008 team, Williams, Pace, Dudensing, Saucedo, Jared Hicks, Santa Anna coach's kid from 2005, Ty Means, several on the 2010 Paducah squad, May had two in 2007, several on the 2003 Strawn team, several on the 2000 Highland team, Miles, Petey Soliz(?), several on the '93 PC team, Trey Richie, the RB from Lohn's championship team, Denim Reeves(?), and many more I can't name at this moment. I used ? to indicate not definite with their last names.

Good is Good brother no matter where you are. I use good to mean really, really good, even great, even super great. Some of those players named are once-a-decade players, and three or four are once in a coach's lifetime players.
These guys would have played way up the classification ladder.

 

[jnewt208]

I think the "right" athlete could make the move from 6 Man and be a very good player on a 5A or even a 6A field. If he were to play in an 6-man system that mimics the 11 man game he would have a good start. The playing football part is easy, if you are a good athlete, are big, fast and physical you will be that at any level. The hardest part would be grasping the terminology, reading and understanding coverages, and something that would be completely foreign, gap control and assignment. Like I mentioned before if he is coming from a program that uses a lot 11 man terminology, routes and defensive assignments he would have a leg up on someone who might be coming from a school that runs the junky 6-man spread which is just a fancy name for street ball. I would think the easiest transition would be to play wide receiver or as a corner.

 

[Shad Kline]

Here is my thought on it:

There are roughly 130 UIL six man schools, lets say the average enrollment is 50 kids, not sure what the average is, but its got to be pretty close to that. That's 6500 kids that go to six man schools.
The average 5A school is around 2000 kids, so it would be pretty safe to say that all of 6-man is pretty much the same size as 3-4 5A schools. There are anywhere from 2-6 kids getting football scholarships on each team coming out of 5A, so average 4 per year.

Doing the math, that means that there would be about 14 kids that excel in football with an enrollment of 6500.

Here is where the difference is. The kids playing 5A ball are playing at a higher level of ball. The 6man kids are playing against other 6man kids that may or may not even be playing at a larger school. In 5A, 50 kids come out, that's 5% of the school enrollment. In 6 man, 20 kids come out, which is 40% of the enrollment. So the 5A kids are playing against the best of the best, whereas the 6man kids are not. That doesn't mean there still aren't those 14 kids that excel, but those 14 will excel much better at 6 man than the 14 in 5A. At the same time, the number of kids that excel in 6-man will be much higher than the 14.

So basically, i think if you take the 1st team all state in 6man and put them in 5A, then yes, they can excel in 5A. I think there is a very small handfull that would have "dominated", Parsley, Miles, Etheredge, Wrinkle, Campbell, and I apologize to the studs that I left out.

 

[smokeyjoe53]

Here is my thought on it:

There are roughly 130 UIL six man schools, lets say the average enrollment is 50 kids, not sure what the average is, but its got to be pretty close to that. That's 6500 kids that go to six man schools.
The average 5A school is around 2000 kids, so it would be pretty safe to say that all of 6-man is pretty much the same size as 3-4 5A schools. There are anywhere from 2-6 kids getting football scholarships on each team coming out of 5A, so average 4 per year.

Doing the math, that means that there would be about 14 kids that excel in football with an enrollment of 6500.

Here is where the difference is. The kids playing 5A ball are playing at a higher level of ball. The 6man kids are playing against other 6man kids that may or may not even be playing at a larger school. In 5A, 50 kids come out, that's 5% of the school enrollment. In 6 man, 20 kids come out, which is 40% of the enrollment. So the 5A kids are playing against the best of the best, whereas the 6man kids are not. That doesn't mean there still aren't those 14 kids that excel, but those 14 will excel much better at 6 man than the 14 in 5A. At the same time, the number of kids that excel in 6-man will be much higher than the 14.

So basically, i think if you take the 1st team all state in 6man and put them in 5A, then yes, they can excel in 5A. I think there is a very small handfull that would have "dominated", Parsley, Miles, Etheredge, Wrinkle, Campbell, and I apologize to the studs that I left out.

But who's on first.........???????

 

[Shad Kline]

Here is my thought on it:

There are roughly 130 UIL six man schools, lets say the average enrollment is 50 kids, not sure what the average is, but its got to be pretty close to that. That's 6500 kids that go to six man schools.
The average 5A school is around 2000 kids, so it would be pretty safe to say that all of 6-man is pretty much the same size as 3-4 5A schools. There are anywhere from 2-6 kids getting football scholarships on each team coming out of 5A, so average 4 per year.

Doing the math, that means that there would be about 14 kids that excel in football with an enrollment of 6500.

Here is where the difference is. The kids playing 5A ball are playing at a higher level of ball. The 6man kids are playing against other 6man kids that may or may not even be playing at a larger school. In 5A, 50 kids come out, that's 5% of the school enrollment. In 6 man, 20 kids come out, which is 40% of the enrollment. So the 5A kids are playing against the best of the best, whereas the 6man kids are not. That doesn't mean there still aren't those 14 kids that excel, but those 14 will excel much better at 6 man than the 14 in 5A. At the same time, the number of kids that excel in 6-man will be much higher than the 14.

So basically, i think if you take the 1st team all state in 6man and put them in 5A, then yes, they can excel in 5A. I think there is a very small handfull that would have "dominated", Parsley, Miles, Etheredge, Wrinkle, Campbell, and I apologize to the studs that I left out.

But who's on first.........???????

Naturally

 

[tower55]

The QB from Fort Davis left to play 11-man. We'll see how he does.

 

[BE]

BeeJeepers, I left out the best of the best in my earlier post. Sorry my boy. Tyler Earl Ethridge would have excelled at any school in TEJAS. If I exaggerate may Bernie be our next president. ):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgM2xN5TPgw

 

[ol' gus]

Junky 6man spread? Wth. You only got 1 thing right by saying a great athlete can play at any level. Watch any level game and you'll see missed tackles, blocks, drops, fumbles etc. That junk has no level. Trouble with bigger schools is the coaches have to make everything so difficult so that it looks like theyre doing something no one else can. Most huge schools athletics is heartless. 6man gives every country kid a chance to play football. If that's not what it's about then...maybe that's the best difference.

 

[reddogblitz]

Ol' Gus you sir have a valid argument and material fact to support your opinion, even at the mighty nfl level long terminology totally [not needed] to call a formation the blocking the motion and the play with a possibly audible included over complicates the game, and completely takes away from the players ability to play fast. Today's football 21st century is fast paced and all the above mentioned is made simple at the college level 3 simple numbers can do the same thing as a long worded sentence to call a play.
Now your point on the sixman athlete if he's good then it won't matter where he lines up the talent will match up as for the junk reference teams can play down hill if they have a back and a couple of road hogs to root out the dirt across the line, but many schools at the sixman level will only have one road hog and nothing of a boss hog running behind the line, so spread them out and take your shots if you have better speed your chances of winning increase.

 

[coachbronk]

I think its an easier transition for skill players to jump from six-man to 11-man than lineman. I think the same is said for six-man skill players who are recruited to play college ball. If six-man coaches are using what would be termed as normal football terminology, such as the traditional passing tree, then the transition to 11-man won't be that difficult no matter what level. When I was coaching in college, we looked at six-man skill players, especially WR's and DB's.

BE, in your mind, what position would Tyler have dominated at if he had played 11-man HS FB?