Two Year Honeymoon: Is It Over

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BE":15fl4kxe said:
Mister, If the truth were known I'm probably skewed in more places than just my assumptions.
Well then, no more half measures. You got me fired up, boy!! "Let's damn the torpedoes and full steam ahead" all year and get after these big boys ...football too. Come on King Kong, why play 6 on 6 all summer when by adding just one single kid we can challenge Munday and Canadian in the statewide 7 on 7 league. In roundball all you beasts step up like Paducah and Nazareth and play up with the likes of Smyer and Munday. Lets get in there with the baseball and softballers and test our metal with Clarendon, Gruver and soon to be Canadian Wildcats.

We can beat lots of them. We will be competitive, but the average small school will find it tough against the average bigger school. How many more will choose to compete in Class A the next cycle? Looks like there are a couple dozen more schools that are on the bubble. Move them all to Class A ?

I want more than just six or eight small school teams year in and year out to have a taste of glory in athletics. I hope we can continue to find a way to spread just a tiny bit of success to fifteen or twenty or even twenty-five schools. That is the entire purpose for having more than one division.

Let these eleven-man schools take care of themselves, play AA across the board, or talk the UIL into a Division ll track. Who says we all have to crowd into the same stadium two weeks after the Regional Meets. It would take a half ounce of imagination and "3.14 meters" of vision to form a better plan. (:

It really never was a honeymoon, more like an affair, which never last. ):

"If you don't have the skills there's always eleven-man"
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6man football has 2 champions. The 1A basketball champion was a non football school (what classification would you want them to play) and the track champion was a 6man school. I'm not real sure exactly what you think would change. What number do you want the cutoff to be or is it if you don't choose to play 6man then every other sports is at a disadvantage? They are already at a numbers disadvantage in football, they are no different from everyone else in the other sports. Munday was the biggest school in 1A and they didn't bring home either state track championship. No offense to their kids or coaches because they competed well. As far as basketball goes, they also played 1A this year. Were in the district with crowell. I don't think people choose to go 1A, the numbers are the numbers. As far as baseball/softball goes there is a legit argument. Borden lost to Hawley over the weekend. That is a big numbers disadvantage. Those two sports are what need to be addressed by the UIL. This thought of sharing the success. I don't think you could talk any coach in any sport to sharing their success. Pretty sure Richland Springs was just fine being dominant in football. Mike Reed has never came across the sidelines to us and told us we could go ahead and win this game because they've had enough success, they would like to share. Crowell won it back to back, doesn't seem right. They should of had to play up after winning the first and returning most of their kids. Btw, those kids probably could have won some at the 11man level.
 
Then there is only one thing to do...get to work salvaging the marriage now that the honeymoon ends, otherwise we may have some tuff times against guys like:

Munday ............Dodd City
Spurger.............Nueces Canyon
Burton..............Menard
Crosbyton..........Moulton
Wink................Round Top-Carmine
Baird...............San Isidro
Kennard............Lipan
Leakey.............Rocksprings
Runge..............Waelder
Spglake-Earth.....Comstock
Graford............Austwell-Tivoli
Burkeville.........Goodrich
Cross Plains.......Slidell
Eula................Gorman
Bronte.............Miller Grove

Some of these are in already, many of the rest will join eventually. By the way, Munday has won 12 state championships in track. Impressive. Last year their two teams scored a combined 17 points.
 
If I were a bettin man, and I am not, I would wager on the Munday Moguls moving to six-man before my ten year old boy grows his first chin-hair.
There are signs. That will make this track debate less intriguing.

It's happened before. I remember when we scoffed at the idea of Calvert, Throckmorton and Nazareth relocating to the six man game. And just a couple of years ago Gorman and Bronte weren't even in the realm of possibility. Trust me, Bronte will join us in two years. For some insane reason they want to wait until their numbers and talent are so low that they can't imagine being competitive anywhere. Someone should tell them to look at the Throckmorton example...6-4 their last year of 11-man to 13-1 in 2004 six-man. They had good, young talent when they transitioned, and immediately made impact.
 
I think if a school chooses to be brave and play up that is their right.....No need to punish all other programs. Plus many schools that have played 11 man forever want to stay with what they know just as many 6-man schools that are growing stay 6 man as long as they can. Don't be afraid of a little competition.
 
One way to fix it would be to set a enrollment number and if it qualifies as six man then you have to play six man if you don't want to then don't play football. Same goes for six man schools that coould come up to 11 man either you play or you don't. Then make every other sport follow by that you have the number that's what you play.
 
I keep hearing people say "Don't punish the other programs just because they choose to play up in football," But that is UIL policy in all other divisions. If you choose to play up in one sport you are required to play up in all sports. This needs to be applied to 1A also, or the rule needs to be changed to allow the other divisions to pick and choose. If you have the boys to field an 11-man team, then you have plenty of kids for basketball also. If you're having to play with 12 boys, then read the writing on the wall and step up to the real-man's game of 6-man ball.
 
What a bunch of cry babies scared of a schools enrollment numbers! Numbers don't always matter, Nazareth use to play 11man with about 70 kids in high school and would make deep runs. Numbers mean nothing you either have talent at your school or you don't plain and simple. Yet if you want to settle this debacle just make the cutoff for every 1a sport 104 and you have to play everything 1a!
 
Nobody is crying, 'negger. It's a topic about track. We were told a six-man division was being formed, shame on some of us who took it literally. I fooled myself.

We have been kicking the sheet out of larger schools for twenty years. Water Valley beat Bronte, Throckmorton did it to Windthorst, Richland Springs overcame San Saba in 7-0n-7 back in 06 or 07. Happens all the time in basketball and baseball. Now it will just have to happen in track.
 
BE":3meypym4 said:
......, Richland Springs overcame San Saba in 7-0n-7 back in 06 or 07.
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Defeating the Armadillos does not necessarily illustrate particular prowess. Richland could put 11 jr. High players on the field & give San Saba's Varsity a close game...........
 
How rude. (:
How can you argue with sinfonian's point? Apparently all is not fair in love, war and Class A athletics.

We played them more for publicity than the athletic benefit; our boys thought it would convince their neighbors we could take 'em. We had tried to schedule some basketball games with them, but they wouldn't do it. One of the younger kids there that day eventually transferred to RS and played in a state championship or two.
 
Schwarzenegger":2afugpir said:
I don't think I would consider Bronte a big school. Isn't their enrollment below 100 and I thought they were considering to play sixman soon?
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I never was much of an Algebra student, made two Cs, but I had a dandy junior high math teacher (: . A quick look at the UIL enrollment numbers from 104 and below:
Bronte's 89 is higher than 175 six-man schools.
Only 19 six-man schools have more ADA.
So if their not a big school in Class A, and their not a small school...what are they?

Who do we have to play to be considered a Big School? Paducah plays and defeats more often than not some good size, but "I wouldn't consider them big", schools. Childress, Floydada, Tahoka, Vernon, and several Lubbock ISD schools hovering around 4-A. Nazareth does the same thing with both boys and girls. We have outscored Wellington, Canadian, Pampa, Highland Park, Clarendon, West Texas, and Sudan in baseball, softball and track the last ten years. Valley tears up the likes of Memphis. Water Valley absolutely spanked Wellington and Panhandle last year. It was a CPS butt whooping!! (: (;

Okay, I see what needs to be done; a six-man team is going to have to play and advance to the state finals in the 7-on-7 competition. Second thought that wouldn't count because its not real football.
Now that would be some irony.
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In regards to Bronte's future six-man possibility, all you have to do is call them and ask. They are very forthcoming with their plans.
 
I went to Hico expecting a revamped passing game from Valley. Tyler does not get very for from what made them a good team in the past. I saw a lot of grind it out running game, rotating three different tailbacks in the game.
 
No doubt about it...if that is true Brett used the 7-on-7 as a misdirection to throw all the competition in the wrong direction--pass defense!
What a (Jimmy) Johnsoness conception!

BRILLIANT.

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