Should we put a stop to Profiling?????

oldfat&bald & CRSARM

I never said i agreed or disagreed with anyone's views: I did however state that topics like this do not belong on sixmanfootball.com


Confucius says "The guilty Dog Barks First"
 
Its not the fact that anyone agrees with anyone. Its that you would call someone a racist when you don't even know the person. I do think you owe someone an apology. And i did notice that all you said was that this didn't belong on sixmanfootball.com. Like it was stated the only reason this post is still going is because you said that. If you want the fire to go out then stop putting wood on it!
 
sixmanness":17i9uktl said:
oldfat&bald & CRSARM

Confucius says "The guilty Dog Barks First"


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Why quote Confucion to make a point on raschism? Wasn't he just an old baldheaded fat guy who couldn't find descent clothes to fit him.......wait, I think I just described myself. :shock:
 
BE":2bikan96 said:
:roll:
Wasn't he just an old baldheaded fat guy who couldn't find descent clothes to fit him.......wait, I think I just described myself. :shock:
I think a lot of us here are old, fat, & bald guys. I should have chosen a more original screen name.
 
well i only have one of those, im not old, i could be bald if i shaved my head, but i have hair. So ill let u guess which one is left.
 
We all know what happens when we ASS-U-ME something. I am guilty of that. I have just done some research on sixmanness and I had assumed he was very young. I find now this is not true. here is a post he made a couple of years ago.

very good research my hat off to you. The 85 playoff game was still one of the best games ever played at PR I think of course I might be a little bias since I played in that one. I still got a tape of that game. Some of the starting line up Cody Bowman, Lynn Hoffman, Doug LLoyd, Randy LLoyd, Mike H...

Based on this we see that he was in school in 1985 so that puts him in the neighborhood of 38 to 43. I had called him a child on this post and for that I would like to publicly apologize. It is wrong of me or anyone else to assume that someone is young just because they lash out. I have contacted the gentleman and hope that I can be lead to understand his meaning on this thread.

I will not make the age mistake again.

Thank you,

Andy
 
CRSARM":1sin1xti said:
We all know what happens when we ASS-U-ME something. I am guilty of that. I have just done some research on sixmanness and I had assumed he was very young. I find now this is not true. here is a post he made a couple of years ago.

very good research my hat off to you. The 85 playoff game was still one of the best games ever played at PR I think of course I might be a little bias since I played in that one. I still got a tape of that game. Some of the starting line up Cody Bowman, Lynn Hoffman, Doug LLoyd, Randy LLoyd, Mike H...

Based on this we see that he was in school in 1985 so that puts him in the neighborhood of 38 to 43. I had called him a child on this post and for that I would like to publicly apologize. It is wrong of me or anyone else to assume that someone is young just because they lash out. I have contacted the gentleman and hope that I can be lead to understand his meaning on this thread.

I will not make the age mistake again.

Thank you,

Andy


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My Final Post On This Topic:

An apology is warrant, and for that i do publicly apologize to CRSARM.

I am not one for stirring up trouble. I admit i was wrong for 'stirring up the pot' and for making the statement i made.

I will however stand firm by my belief that this Topic does not need to be associated with this site. Only for the reason that too many young individuals come on this site.
 
As a 19 year old college student all i can say is that i wish i had information such as we have discussed here. I grew up and had no clue what was going on. I do think there is a certain degree that parents should keep a check as to where their kids go on the internet. This is no worse than what goes on in the news, actually it has no comparison. Sometimes I am amazed at what i see on the news. I think this just gives some of us who have actually thought about these topics a way to discuss it with each other so that it makes us on the same page.

I think that it isn't granger's responsibility or any mediators responsibility to keep their kids off of these websites. I believe if their kids have enough freedom to visit sixmanfootball.com and find topics like this and want to read throught it then they probably have time to go to other sites that should be forbidden. Besides i don't think granger wants to be volunteered for the job of taking our fun time away.

Wouldn't that be profiling? Not letting us talk about these topics because you don't want kids to see them? I think that any kid that is smart enough to find these topics is smart enough to deal with the information. As a kid i would have liked to have heard this right after 9-11. I honestly didn't know what the world trade centers were. I was in the sixth grade!
 
A fine thing that you apologized, as well as, also sticking by your guns on your opposition to this post. Its easy to be wrong about something and say to hell with party offended, but quite more demanding to apologize for the insult and still keep your position.

I will say that I disagree with you for the mere fact that I think part of education is the ability to way differences in opinion and determine which one alignes with your own beliefs and values. This countries education system has, as previously posted on this topic, declined. That said there are several causes one already addressed standardized testing... its bogus whoever is to blame doesnt matter, but testing kids against other kids tells you nothing about the kids. It just tells you if they rank among their peers. In my opinion the goal of education is to as some classical scholar put it help students/people reach THEIR full potential. This was said by someone to the effect of Socrates or Plato im not sure who... but its still true. However too many teachers today have to spend too much time helping students prepare for a worthless test. Texas ranks among the bottom of the pool in the education dept. I for one would like to see us branch out and tell the S.O.B's that think standardized test are worth while to take their overdeveloped, overutilized, less than mediocre test to stuff it.
Second, it is my belief that corporal punishment should be reinstituted into education at all levels. If student had to think about getting a good ol'e whoopin' every time they were screwing around they might be a little more likely to tow the line. Thats the way our ancestor's did it and it worked out pretty well. Its these newer generation of yuppy parent who believe in time outs and putting kids in the corner that have corrupted society into soft, mushy, spineless whimps. Not only does a good whoopin' strengthen ones backside it also strengthens there constitution.
Next, schools should be allowed to operate independently from the UIL and other powers that be. I have been part of a few of the so called teacher development courses that are taught in college today that are set up by organizations like the UIL and TEA etc etc.... They are now even more of a joke then they were decades ago. As a teacher its hard to relate with people who havent stepped into a highschool grade or lower classroom in 20 years, who are still preaching the same message as 20 years ago... the old addage you can polish a turd, but its still a turd comes to mind.... EDUCATORS SHOULD MAJOR IN THE SUBJECTS THEY TEACH... i cant be more clear on that... getting a major in education now takes less time than any number of careers with 1/2 the importance. Education programs no matter how highly touted are a joke... always have been always will be. I unfortunately attended TSU one of the so called best education schools in the country.... I wish I could get a refund and go to some jo-blow university and get the same degree. All the overpriced education classes I took told me one thing... these prof.'s couldn't hack it in the classroom/practice field/court so now they want to hypothesize about the best ways for the new teachers to operate their classrooms.... Sorry, but if you cant hack it I dont want or need your advice on what could have worked for you if you never tried it, you should try getting another profession.
Lastly, No Child Left Behind(NCLB) is the worst educational program ever instituted. Some kids just dont got it. The world loves Mcdonald's, Mcdonald's needs top fry cooks, and welder's need assistants, we need a few jacks-of-all-trades. The saying those who have weak minds better have a strong backs and visa versa is pretty fitting. We as a group should stop over educating children who will never want or need some of the "skills" we try to teach. A classical education is fine... but for some kids who will never work at NASA or be Engineers, or Architects, or Doctors or Lawyers, why do they need 2 years of Spanish and 4 years of Math and so on and so forth. Whatever happened to shop class, wood working, industrial technology classes, and many others that they dont teach anymore. If they aint a genius, find 'em a job.

Sorry for the rant it just all seemed to fit in this venue since we are arguing about young people, and their "fragile" minds.
 
I do agree with the way things used to run in schools. They really don't hold the kids accountable. Its all about getting them through high school. I was in the last of the corpal punishment kids. I recieved 2 swats at the end of my junior year, and that was the last of them. All they do now is send them to ISS, who wouldn't want to sit in a classroom and not do anything but homework. Its just not right.
 
Tweeter,
I guess I'm coming in loud and clear on your end. I will say this that the old fashioned school system worked better than this one. It may not have been perfect, but more often then not it worked. This system, on the other hand, fails more often than not unless your looking at test scores. Those aforementioned tests don't mean bo-diddly though. I have a story about a student who just sits around and does nothing, just waiting for our bureaucrat/politician of a principal to take him and stick him in ISS. Its kind of like that "time out" I was talking about. It would make sense to anyone who has half a brain that sticking a kid in a room alone or with a sub to watch them so they "dont run off." I mean come on that would be like a parent sending a kid to their room with their computer and playstation etc... and telling them to think about what they did wrong.... YEAH MOM/DAD i'm really sorry I did that :lol:
What a crock. Its called punishment for a reason they should be punished.... in an uncomfortable position. I think the rule used to be when I was in school if you were in ISS 3 times in any semester you went to AEP(alternative education/state schooling) now it would appear that students get unlimited chances to get a free day. Its just another reason our state ranks among the lowest of the 50 states....... we need reform
 
This has little to do with the topic, but I've noticed several comments about how corporal punishment isn't used anymore. My question to you guys is where do you teach/coach, every school I have been employed by used the paddle whenever necessary, and I have been to several schools since 1996. I'll list them: Novice, Cisco, Hermleigh, Richland Springs and San Augustine, and student taught at Brookesmith. All of them gave pops frequently. My wife is a junior high principal of 235 students, and she must average four or five kids per day getting pops, and she never gives less than two at a time. The other day I called her to see how her day was going and she said that her right thumb was extremely sore. When I asked why she said she had just administered her twenty-second pop of the day. My response was well, that many pops this late in the year means corporal punishment isn't working. Her respose was that the great majority of the kids walked a straight line, that the number of students who needed it was vastly smaller because of the willingness to use a board. Her term for those who still needed occasional pops was the Dirty Dozen, and had once been called the Dirty Thirty...and of those 12 at least three were about to be sent to alternative school. Occasionally a parent will demand their child not be paddled, but when my wife tells them to come pick up their suspended child they always change their tune and support the decision to use the paddle. Funny how quickly they change their opinion. So, don't think just because your principal is too scared to use it means that not being allowed to use CP is the law of the land.

In the state of Texas there have been over twenty court cases challenging the legality of a school to use CP; in every one of them the school and state won. Don't know the name of the case, but in one the accidental bruising of the student was even defended by the courts.

I made the decision long ago that I would never teach in a school that did not allow CP, and so far I haven't had to. Choosing not to use CP is most often the decision of misinformed or overreacting administrators. I know of a couple of schools whose administration chose not to use CP despite the support of the school board. These individuals usually hide behind exaggerated fears of being sued.

At RS we used CP whenever needed. Well, some of us did. The teachers knew who would and wouldn't swing the board, and usually sent their stubborn, repeat offenders to us or my wife to address the situation. One member of our coaching staff had the best swing I have ever seen. I swear that man could lift our biggest boys off the floor. He said it was "all in the hips".

I guess I should admit I was a member of the so-called dirty dozen group as an 8th grader, There were only three of us so I'll call us the Terrible Three (we didn't really have a name. We were just punks). We were pretty good size kids. Besides myself it was Mike Richardson(future all-american LB for two years, played at TX. A&M one year, and Johnny Rockwell, the largest upper body I had ever seen on a junior high kid. He didn't play football because he had to cut pulp wood every day after school. By the third week of school we had collectively chased off two english teachers and an interim principal. My dad, the superintendent of the school, decided to handle the problem the old fashion way---he hired an ex-marine just out of the Vietnam war to be our temporary principal.

His first day on the job he walked into our math class and pointed at the three of us to follow him to his office which was located between two classrooms and apparently had extremely thin walls...I'll explain why later. After a brief laying down of the new law I guess our faces had the wrong expressions upon them because he immediately pulled out the biggest dam_ board I have ever seen. I swear to you it looked like Buford Pusser's club. It wasn't even totally flat, was more of a 4x4 fence post with one side slightly sanded slick. Well, when we realized what was happening next, we all put on our "we're bad" act and took it like a man. Then he did something that gave me flashbacks for weeks. He walked over to the door and double-locked it. Now, that may not seem too frightening today, but in the 1970s, a time when nobody locked their doors before turning in for the night, I was stunned :shock: Up to that moment of my brief life...... the next five minutes were the most frightening moments of my pathetic existence. That man whooped us like he was the devil himself. I think he even took it easy on me because he put Mike and Johnny over the desk, literally, and Mike was a six footer and probably dressed out at 180 lbs that year. Later at lunch the seventh graders said they heard the sound of wood on flesh and high pitched screams so clearly that Mrs. Meeks, their english teacher left the room for fifteen minutes. I later overheard my dad tell my mother that she had called my dad to report the incident. Dad told her the new principal was just getting to know a few of the boys. That was a monday. By Friday I had received seventeen whoopings, not individual pops, seventeen times I had received a whooping by that man. One time he even strapped me for wolf whistling at the high school girl who walked around picking up the roll sheets. Did it work? Johnny transfered to another school until we were freshmen, and Mike played hooky the following Friday through Wednesday. Me, I'm not sure, but I think I was sterile until I was twenty-one years old. :oops: :cry: :cry:
 
The only thing i had to do worse than swats, was my principle had given me 3 swats that year already so he had a new idea. This was 200 situps 100 pushups and 200 deepknee bends. If you don't know what those are they are painful the next day. You squat with your arms straight out and go back up. Imagine 200 of those the next day. I would have taken 20 swats rather than do that.
 
I agree with the whole CP thing but it needs carried one step further. It seems to me that a lot of the world has turned the raising of their kids over to the teachers/coaches. When I was in school back in the early 1200s if I got 3 pops with a board at school it was DOUBLE when I got home with a belt that tore me up. I was taught how to behave and I did so or paid the price. Of course you are thinking just don't tell the parents. I tried that once. When dad found out it was TRIPLE that time.

At Gordon the ones administiring the licks were usually the male coaches. I remember a basketball coach we had by the name of Dan McGee. He stood around 6'5" and weighed top 200s easily. He would put you on the desk every hit. When you were done you HAD to shake his hand before you left his office. I then had Coach Campbell in high school. Those that have seen him knows he is tough. I got my act together and never had an encounter with him and the board and then Gordon did away with the whole thing, don't know if they do CP now or not.

What I am trying to say is that it starts at HOME. Prents don't leave it to the school to put the right ideas in your kids heads.

While I am posting I would like to thank sixmanness for his apology. It takes a big person to step up and admit when they make a mistake. Thank you sir.

Andy
 
That's funny, :lol: I knew Dan McGee. My dad hired him at Gordon in '79 or
80, then had to ask him to resign when he refused to stop smoking in the gym on Sundays while he did the boys team laundry. Apparently some of the parents turned him in several times.
He moved to Brownwood and opened a convenience store across from the Sportsmans Center on 287. He made a ton of money selling beer at that location. He was a great guy. I heard he died way to young sometime during the late '80s.
 
Had the same punishment at home andy. Always had to call my parents before i got the swats though. And i always hated signing the pink papers.
 
BE":3ggb6kio said:
That's funny, :lol: I knew Dan McGee. My dad hired him at Gordon in '79 or
80, then had to ask him to resign when he refused to stop smoking in the gym on Sundays while he did the boys team laundry. Apparently some of the parents turned him in several times.
He moved to Brownwood and opened a convenience store across from the Sportsmans Center on 287. He made a ton of money selling beer at that location. He was a great guy. I heard he died way to young sometime during the late '80s.

Who was your dad? Wait....Mr. Ethridge the super at Gordon. I remember him. LOL He was there for three years at Gordon. His son Chod and I were best friends and actually ended up roommates after high school and stayed in touch forever. He is in Iraq now doing something.

I looked Dan up a couple fo months ago. He is still in Brownwood, sold his first store and has a second one now. After leaving Gordon he went to Follett for several years as a couch.

BE? You went to Gordon? What year did you graduate?

Andy
 
So he didn't pass away?! That's great. I never met his son, Chod. Is that a nickname?
I knew he let that store go for whatever reason. Some foreigner bought it and it lost the charm that Dan gave it, closed down within a year.
 
His boys name were Scott, Chod and Jason. They ended up with Jason at 6'8" Chod 6'7" ad I believe Scott went 6'6". Dan was right at 6'6" I believe. At Gordon he was married to a lady that topped the charts at about 4'11" or 5 foot. She had two children from a previous that were younger but small. They had a child together that passes at a couple of weeks old due to heart problems. All this is from memory so if anyone knows different let me know.

Chod was his real name and through school had no weight on him. At one time he was 6'4" and topped the scale at about 130 lbs. He was a great bb player though. Our sophomore year we played part of district and had beaten Strawn by about 40 points. Chod was in a teenage stupidity accident Cristmas morning and shattered his leg, he was out for the rest of the season. We were undefeated in district so far and after losing him I think we only beat one team, Strawn, and it was not by 40 points. We won by 1 in triple overtime. Terry Thorton made the winning shot. Yes, he is the father of Cliff Thorton on the all-state list this year. Talked to Terry about that year recently and he says we could of made a run for state that year if Chod had not gotten hurt.

None of those three boys played college I believe. Dan did played college, went to Vietnam and then tried to go pro but had a family and all and did not try very hard. That is from his mouth.

Jason was a lot younger than me and I know little about him. Scott was a few years older than me. His junior year in track he won 5 golds at district. His senior year he lived with his mother and went to school in Houston hoping for better oppoptunities and they were not there. I heard he sat the bench in BB all year as he was not quite good enough there. If he had stayed in Gordon and Chod had not broken his leg I have no doubt we would of played in the state final and if not won would of made them work hard to beat us. Oh well, what ifs. LOL Gordon might of ended up a basketball powerhouse instead of football? Naaaa

Man, from profiling to corporal punishment to the McGees. This topic has gone all over, where next?

Andy
 
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