Should we put a stop to Profiling?????

Nobody is speaking or referencing racism here. I know for some the truth often hurts, but try to stick to the context of the subject: should profiling be discontinued...should we use common sense to search out would be terrorists...should Muslim men be scutinized more than say German men, or any group of women, or any other group for that matter. Try not to overreact to emotional arguments that point to past mistakes like Japanese internments during WWll. That was a gross miscarriage of justice, but that mistake was addressed years ago with monetary compensation to the surviving families.

Some discrimination is good. If there is trouble between my family and someone who is out to harm them, I must act to protect mine even if it means using force to do it. In other words "they must lose," to speak in very general terms. And from that moment on I keep a watchful eye on them, their group, those who support their threatening point of view. If another group singles out my countrymen for harm, whether on a battlefield or in a civilian airliner, I am supportive of using the appropriate aggressive measures to see that they fail to carry out their intentions. I would rather apologize to an enemy's family later than my own. Both stances require some measure of "rigid devotion" to yourself, your family and your country.
I for one do not need to see another successful act of terrorism, or a failed one to set my jaw against those who plan every day to kill my children, my wife or some other american. And of course I am just as protective of any other country's innocents. It does require some zealous actions to take the necessary steps to seek out those who call themselves jihadists, whether they are Al Queda, Taliban, Skinheads or Black Panthers. Yes, some protective bigotry is required to take these steps. The kind of bigotry that is strictly intolerant of anyone who is devoted to killing me or mine is necessary. I am 100% supportive of profiling;it is just common sense to remove rattlesnakes where my family lives, even if I have to use a shotgun to do it.

Does that mean I am a racists? No, of course not. Simply put if someone is out to harm my family or my countrymen then it is time to target them before they can execute their plans. Kind of an "eye for an eye" concept. A "what goes around comes around" position.

Pulling the racists card only demonstrates the bankruptcy of your position, and a profound lack of "truth".

And for him who would try to misrepresent my words, try to remember the words of someone I deeply admire in John 8:32.
 
That's the point i am trying to make CRSARM.

You wrote "Ok you can say the kids read this board"

I do agree with you that our kids should be ware of the world outside of sixman football. That's why the world is at your finger tips on the world-wide-web for topics like 'Should we put a stop to Profiling'

In my opinion: As the web page administrator Granger should remove this topic from sixmanfootball.com

Do you agree or disagree?
 
I disagree. I do agree with BE 100%. DO we just sit here being the nice guy until we are all dead? We might be politically correct but we would be dead.

I do not want another terrorist attack of American people or any where else for that matter. Look at it this way. If you were one of their country men and they were blowing everybody up and you were checked at an airport and had no intention of blowing anyone up, would you be insulted. Three of your country men got on an airplane, none of you were checked because we are not allowed to profile. That 84 year old lady in the front was checked though and so was that 7 year old boy back there. One of your country men pull a bomb and blow up the plane. Let's say you live but you are paralyzed for the rest of your life. Would you of now wished there would of been some profilling? I would.

Think this stuff through before you start mouthing. No, I am not a racist myself. I have several Muslim friends from all over the world. I recently asked a few of them what they thought about this profilling. They agreed they would not mind being checked because they ARE Muslim and it could stop a terrorist attack.

Racism has no place in the world and for those youngsters reading this please treat all races equally, but please consider what is being said here and do not consider it racist.

Lets put this in 6-Man terms. You are playing a team, lets say their colors are red and blue. You are trying to win and staying real close. A player for the other team goes off the field and another red and blue player comes on the field. Are you going to think to yourself that you should not hit, block or tackle him as you do not know if he is for the other team?? Common sense!!!

Andy
 
Andy, I'm an old Dawson Dragon. I graduated in '90. It sounds like you got me on the "hefty" part too, but not by a huge amount. Part of the reason I used old, fat & bald as my screen name is how many times I've heard Coach Adams say, "What do you mean you can't do that? I'm old, fat, and bald headed and I can do it. Run that again and see if you can't do it right this time."
 
sixmanness":22uhh6te said:
That's the point i am trying to make CRSARM.

You wrote "Ok you can say the kids read this board"

I do agree with you that our kids should be ware of the world outside of sixman football. That's why the world is at your finger tips on the world-wide-web for topics like 'Should we put a stop to Profiling'

In my opinion: As the web page administrator Granger should remove this topic from sixmanfootball.com

Do you agree or disagree?
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truthhurts04":22uhh6te said:
Yes you teach kids how to be narrow minded and racist. Good job!
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Deep breath. Deep breath.
 
Drifter, It's been a while since I talked to Coach Adams. I didn't know he had been sick. I'm glad to hear he's better. If I wind up being half the man that he, my dad, my grand pa, and a select few others are, I figure I'll have done alright.
 
O.K. I'd like to address sixmaness and truth04. BE and CRSARM said pretty much what needed saying much more eloquently than I could, but I'd like to add a point or two. First, I am glad that we live in a country where we are free to get on the internet, street corner, or any where else to express our views. There are many places in this world where if you don't toe the line, you wind up in jail or "missing". If you are not profane or hurtful to the kids, I don't know any one on the "conservative" side of things that would try to get this sites Admin to shut down a forum. It's funny that only the ones with a "progressive" view holler that. The second point is, if middle-aged, overweight, blue-eyed, balding gringos start flying planes into buildings and blowing planes up, I expect the authorities to spend extra time with me at the air port. Looking harder at people like me would be the most efficient way to ensure the public's safety. It's not stopping me from exercising any of my God given Constitutional Rights. You know, freedom of speech, religion, the right to keep and bear arms, protection from unlawful search and seizure, those things that are unpopular with "progressives." Getting on an airplane isn't a Constitutional Right. If it was, you wouldn't have to buy a ticket. Profiling doesn't abridge any one's Constitutional Rights. And, IT'S NOT RACIST.
 
Original question was: Should we put a stop to profiling?

My opinion (If you think im racist then so be it, cuz im not)

As BE, Andy and the old fart have been stating.

All that they really want to be put across is that profiling would perhaps not be such a racial thing as a precaution to prevent further danger to the United States. If you were to walk down a street in a muslim nation im pretty sure you would catch way more eyes than a muslim walking down one of our american streets. Racism in my mind is just a way for a minority to gain social improvement by wining that they are being treated unfairly. I don't believe this has anything to do about racism. Going on an airplane makes all americans nervous now days. I would love to see more profiling in this nation as well as any other nation. If i visited England i wouldn't mind having all of my possessions searched just because i talked their language with a messed up accent. I really don't care as long as they feel they are safe. I expect the same to be able to happen here in the United States.

Sixmanfootball has every right to have posts like this. Are you going to post on the ^<V board that that doesn't have anything to do with sixmanfootball? If you don't want to read posts like these then stay out of the Non-Sports related topics. If anything Granger should add a Current Events Topic.

I like reading these topics so that i know that i am not the only "RACIST" out there worried about my family and friends freedom and safety.
 
Well said Tweeter, let me add another AMEN!!!

And sixmanness does not understand how this board works. leave a topic alone and it fades away. He revived this one by posting his belief that this topic should die. I owe you a thanks young man.

Andy
 
CRSARM":2noogwv8 said:
And sixmanness does not understand how this board works. leave a topic alone and it fades away. He revived this one by posting his belief that this topic should die. I owe you a thanks young man.

Andy
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Completely true! Just add fuel to the fire!
 
I find it funny that some are calling for the administrator to pull the plug on this post. On what grounds? That you find it offensive? Well I find your liberal leaning opinions offensive, does that mean I should call for all your posts to be pulled? Of course not. None of the posts should offend anyone, and if they do then that's their problem. There is no offensive language in any of them, no racist comments or personal attacks on any individuals. Simply facts.

Andy, BE, OBC, OFB & Tweeter I couldn't agree more with your line of reasoning. It's high time that the PC crowd be put in their place. It is NOT racisct to keep an eye on a particular sect due to not only their past actions but also their stated goals of world domination and eradication of all who do not believe as they do. Does that mean all Muslims believe as the extremists do. No, but the extremist movement is intermingled throughout the Muslim community. It is also NOT a race, it is a RELIGEON. There are Muslims of many colors from across the world. That takes the race card out of play.

If the young people who freqent this board read this post all the better. They can see that differing opinions on subjects can be debated without the debate becoming rude. They used to teach debate in school, not sure they do anymore. Of course they also used to teach the Constitution, the Decalration of Independence, weights and units of measure and all manner of everyday useful things anyone would benefit from in the course of a lifetime, but now all they seem to teach is how to take standardized tests. I'd personally like to pull the plug on that misguided concept, but that's another subject for a different time.

On a closing note I find it ironic that one of the two who take exception to Andy's post has a screen name of Truthhurts. The fact is that the truth does sometimes hurt, but it's still the truth and I've been told that the truth will set you free.
 
lol you just brought up the consititution...thats funny....does that not make you a hypocrite since most of the conservatives policys and your ideas of "profiling" go against everything the constitution stood for.


Oh yea and you can thanks the conservatives for standardized tests as well....
 
Not by definition. (Profiling: The extrapolation of information based on known qualities.) In your world it might, but I didn't find that in the Constitution.

As far as Conservatives being responsible, it was actually an Independent technically. And he would fail the test of a true conservative by championing more government involvement in anything. You can call yorself a conservative but if your actions aren't truly conservative then neither are you.
 
Help me find in the constitution where profiling is prohibited. I am not a constitutional lawyer, but I have taught U.S. Gov. in the past and I must have overlooked it.
A quick look into the constitution reveals a preamble that includes a phrase that "provides for the common defense...", and a Bill of Rights that covers ten basic rights, none of which describe a reference to freedom from profiling. Maybe your talking about the amendments. In fact since 911 presidents Bush and Obama have tightened the rights of airline companies and states to screen and search passengers b4 they board commercial carriers, enter gov. buildings, schools and private businesses.

You must be referring to the DOI which says that all men are..."endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness--That to secure these rights Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."

Or are you thinking of an ACLU or NAACP argument against profiling? Help me out here, I'm openminded.

I'm just asking for help in locating where something to do with profiling is written by our founding fathers.
 
truthhurts04":1bslpjsd said:
lol you just brought up the consititution...thats funny....does that not make you a hypocrite since most of the conservatives policys and your ideas of "profiling" go against everything the constitution stood for.


Oh yea and you can thanks the conservatives for standardized tests as well....
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You might want to prove that second one, especially since you libs are notorious for ignoring the constitution when it suits you, which is most of the time. A true conservative is a liberterian and stands for the constitution to limit the size and reach of the government. A statist, which includes ALL modern liberals and a lot of so-called conservatives believe that the government should grow and reach into every aspect of our lives.

Profiling is a facet of good police/security work that uses the fact that most criminals/terrorists fit a generalized profile of behavioral/ethnic/racial/religious backgrounds. Since virtually all terrorists are middle eastern/african muslims, it makes sense to really concentrate your efforts on those groups. If those who are middle eastern/African muslims get pissed off about this, then my answer is crack down on your co-religionists. Don't protect and enable them to disappear into your populations. You know who they are. Doing randomized searches that get little old church ladies, toddlers, and middle aged businessmen is worse than useless.

I want you to cite me the part of the Constitution that bans profiling.
 
Here we go guys i just read the first page of the constitution, i have come to realize that Hamilton and Jefferson are some smart Guys. I don't know what they worded into that stuff. As far as i could tell they said that if you have problems with other countries just drop a nuke on em. Atleast thats what Truman thought they said. And bush and obama think that you have to hold other governments hands just so they don't attack us anymore. If you profile then you wont have to have the soldiers in iraq! Simple isn't it. Thousands of lives for a little bit of "racism", i think its a perfect solution!

O and i saw the word "indian" in there so aparently our forefathers are racist as well. O wait i forgot Jefferson was. Woops our country was founded by a racist. I guess you will now decide that the higher power administration (granger if it was on sixmanfootball) should get rid of the constitution because it teaches kids how to be narrow minded and racist. I really don't see how someone whos nation is going into iraq and afghanistan and keeping a check on their government, still wont agree that we shouldn't be able to profile.

It doesn't say anything about the good neighbor policy in the Constitution i think that was one of FDR's ideas. So our presidents are profiling racists because they are containing muslims by the use of their military control. I guess that means that america really is the land of the free.
 
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