Shale playground in W. Texas (may dwarf S Tex Eagle Ford)

[Old Bearkat]

The market always correct high prices if the governments leave it alone.

Natrual gas was expensive also until the Barret and other gas shales started producing. Now all the new gas is oil production by-product.

I've read they're flaring off millions of dollars worth of natural gas in the Dakotas because they don't have any pipelines to catch it and it isn't worth enough right now to build the pipelines.

Yep, and the EPA is all over them, trying to shut down oil production there by using the flaring issue.

 

[oldfat&bald]

The market always correct high prices if the governments leave it alone.

Natrual gas was expensive also until the Barret and other gas shales started producing. Now all the new gas is oil production by-product.

I've read they're flaring off millions of dollars worth of natural gas in the Dakotas because they don't have any pipelines to catch it and it isn't worth enough right now to build the pipelines.

Yep, and the EPA is all over them, trying to shut down oil production there by using the flaring issue.

Why do radical environmentalists do everything they can to kill energy production and complain about the price of gas?

 

[freeagent]

Why do radical environmentalists do everything they can to kill energy production and complain about the price of gas?

Because they can. All those know-it-all bureaucrats and tenured college profs know what's best for the little people.

 

[Blue Bird]

They want us to go all electric. (with no thought where most of that comes from) Can you imagine pulling a trailor load of cows with an electric pickup? Might get two miles!

 

[Little Doc]

The cost for progress always has price. With the water shortage in West Texas, probably won't be long before a barrel of water may be worth more than a barrel of oil. How many of us ever thought we'd be buying water in a plastic bottle? Wish I would have thought that a long time ago and invested in it.

 

[Old Bearkat]

They want us to go all electric. (with no thought where most of that comes from) Can you imagine pulling a trailor load of cows with an electric pickup? Might get two miles!

Why you barbarian!!

Don't you know that killing cows to eat them is also not politically correct for us little folk? Once our betters ahve full control, you will no longer need to pull that trailer. All you will need is a hoe and shovel to work your little 5 acre plot like a good peasant.

 

[Shad Kline]

They want us to go all electric. (with no thought where most of that comes from) Can you imagine pulling a trailor load of cows with an electric pickup? Might get two miles!

Why you barbarian!!

Don't you know that killing cows to eat them is also not politically correct for us little folk? Once our betters ahve full control, you will no longer need to pull that trailer. All you will need is a hoe and shovel to work your little 5 acre plot like a good peasant.

Are you kidding me? Monsanto would never allow you to grow your own veggies.

 

[rainjacktx]

Monsanto will be more than happy to let you grow your own food...just as long as you plant Barry-approved, Monsanto-created, genetically-modified seed.

 

[Old Bearkat]

Monsanto will be more than happy to let you grow your own food...just as long as you plant Barry-approved, Monsanto-created, genetically-modified seed.

That they own the patents on. Heaven forbid you save any seed to plant next year, their lawyers will be all over you, and your neighbors too, because the pollen from the gen-mod seeds you planted might waft over and fertilize non-patented plants next door.

 

[oldfat&bald]

and your neighbors too, because the pollen from the gen-mod seeds you planted might waft over and fertilize non-patented plants next door.

I can understand how Monsanto can force the guy that bought their seed not to catch their seed. I still don't understand the legality and morality of forcing the neighbor that planted conventional cotton to not catch his. He entered into no contract with Monsanto. Monsanto should have to pay him a premium for his seed at the very least.

 

[Old Bearkat]

and your neighbors too, because the pollen from the gen-mod seeds you planted might waft over and fertilize non-patented plants next door.

I can understand how Monsanto can force the guy that bought their seed not to catch their seed. I still don't understand the legality and morality of forcing the neighbor that planted conventional cotton to not catch his. He entered into no contract with Monsanto. Monsanto should have to pay him a premium for his seed at the very least.

They legally cannot enforce this, but the threat of legal action and the huge costs of hiring lawyers to makes a lot of farmers give in. Monsanto hires goons to tresspass on farms neighboring farmers who use their gen mod seeds to take samples to determine if some of their plants have been fertilized by patented plants.

 

[Old Bearkat]

Don't get me wrong, I have absolutely NO beefs with genetically modified plants, just Monsantos tactics on "enforcing" their patents.

 

[oldfat&bald]

Don't get me wrong, I have absolutely NO beefs with genetically modified plants, just Monsantos tactics on "enforcing" their patents.

Same here. Too many people want to kill modern agriculture. And the way Monsanto acts gives them plenty of ammo to fire in their attempt to do so.

 

[Old Bearkat]

Don't get me wrong, I have absolutely NO beefs with genetically modified plants, just Monsantos tactics on "enforcing" their patents.

Same here. Too many people want to kill modern agriculture. And the way Monsanto acts gives them plenty of ammo to fire in their attempt to do so.

Between them, the antics of Monsanto and ADM are giving agribiz a black eye. They are both run by either lawyers or money men who look strictly to the short term with no consideration of what will happen 5-10 years down the road.