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Does an Offensive players feet have to move for it to be called illegal motion?
Upper body moving forward before ball snapped?
Upper body moving forward before ball snapped?
Center mostly, sometimes both backs when offensive in T formation.Was the player in question a back (i.e., not breaking the plane of the center's butt? If not, he is a lineman, and if a linemen moves, it is a false start, which kills the play.) If he was a back, 7-1-4-b-1 says that 'One back may be in motion, but that back may not be moving toward their opponent’s goal line.'
Basically, under no circumstances can personnel in motion be moving towards the LOS at snap – this is an illegal motion foul – live ball foul (i.e., play is not blown dead).
The rule doesn't address feet specifically, only that they cannot be moving toward the LOS. As you described this, assuming he was a back, I believe it was called correctly. If he was a lineman. it should be FST, which kills the play.
Does the QB motion rule apply in SixMan?Is he moving forward at the snap? Foul.
Is he moving sideways, backways, anyways except forward? Not a foul.
Is that a National Federation of High Schools Rule you are asking about?Does the QB motion rule apply in SixMan?
Rule 7-4-2-Item 3, it is legal for a quarterback who is under center to go in motion, but he must come to a complete stop for at least one full second prior to the ball being snapped.
What was their decision based on in the NCAA rules? Did you report it and have a discussion with the Chapter that sent them to you?I put this wrinkle in vs. a district opponent last season. The opposing coach was in the ear of the SJ who threw a flag on us 3 consecutive times. After discussing and explaining to them the correct rules, with glassy eyes, this particular crew decided as a whole that the calls against our QB must remain, and the QB is not allowed to motion out from behind the center into the backfield. With the shortage of ref's and the quality of the crew from not knowing all the 6 man rules, I just threw out the entire package. The juice wasn't worth the squeeze. The game is hard enough, much less having "unsubstantiated" negative yardage penalties against my team to have to deal with.
Yes, I did report it. The crew never cited any actual NCAA rule. They honestly didn't know and made a judgment call. Unfortunately, we were at the bad end of that call.What was their decision based on in the NCAA rules? Did you report it and have a discussion with the Chapter that sent them to you?
Coach Goleman previously at Bastrop Tribe has always had the QB in motion from an offset shotgun position.
When I used the motion this past year, I always discussed how we do it during the pre-game conference with the crew just to make sure they understand the rule interpretation. Coach Goleman talks about it happening in a game in his presentation at a clinic a few years ago. He called the timeout immediately after the first flag and asked them if he motioned him from a flanker position would it have been a penalty and they said no. He then said something like, well my QB is not in that good a shape and lines up a bit closer.Yes, I did report it. The crew never cited any actual NCAA rule. They honestly didn't know and made a judgment call. Unfortunately, we were at the bad end of that call.
I actually stole the package, which was a triple option concept, from some vintage video I found on this site. I can't remember which team it was.
This rule is in play "at the time of the snap". As far as I understood the rule, anyone, and everyone, can be in motion, in any direction, front or back, as long as they become set before the snap. However, one player can be in motion at the time of the snap, if everyone else is set, but they must not be headed into the direction of the LOS, until after the snap.From Rule 7 Section 1 Article 4 b. Man in Motion. 1. One back may be in motion, but that back may not be moving toward their opponent’s goal line. 2. The player who goes in motion may not start from the line of scrimmage unless they first become a back and come to a complete stop. 3. A player in motion at the snap must have satisfied the one-second rule—i.e., that player may not start their motion before any shift has ended (Rule 2-22-1-c).
That's an NFL, not NCAA rule. Tom's rule reference is correctDoes the QB motion rule apply in SixMan?
Rule 7-4-2-Item 3, it is legal for a quarterback who is under center to go in motion, but he must come to a complete stop for at least one full second prior to the ball being snapped.
Close - only backs may be in motion, linemen cannot. A lineman may become a back by establishing himself as a back, then going in motion (7-1-4-b-1). A lineman becomes a back before the snap when they move to a position as a back and stop/pause. (rule 2-27-4-d-3).This rule is in play "at the time of the snap". As far as I understood the rule, anyone, and everyone, can be in motion, in any direction, front or back, as long as they become set before the snap. However, one player can be in motion at the time of the snap, if everyone else is set, but they must not be headed into the direction of the LOS, until after the snap.