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Government Shutdown
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rainjacktx
Six-man fan
I'm hoping we can keep the shut down going until November 2014. Even by the government's count, we were paying 800,000 people deemed non-essential.
Seriously, nearly 1 million people have jobs so unimportant that we don't even know they're missing unless we are told so by Fox, CNN, and MSNBC. And Barry is saying how it will wreck the economy? Is that why the dow finished higher today?
I hate DC. I mean, I like to give the poor brainless twits in RS a good razzing every now and again, but they are my best friends compared to vitriolic disgust I have for just about everyone in Washington DC.
I betcha $100 the cowardly, backstabbing, lying, John Cornyn won't make a single campaign stop in the Panhandle - unless he is invited by some left-wing progressive tree hugger group.
Rumor around the twitterverse is that Gohmert is being wined and dined to run against Cornyn the Coward in the Senate primary this coming year. I hope it becomes more than a rumor.
Seriously, nearly 1 million people have jobs so unimportant that we don't even know they're missing unless we are told so by Fox, CNN, and MSNBC. And Barry is saying how it will wreck the economy? Is that why the dow finished higher today?
I hate DC. I mean, I like to give the poor brainless twits in RS a good razzing every now and again, but they are my best friends compared to vitriolic disgust I have for just about everyone in Washington DC.
I betcha $100 the cowardly, backstabbing, lying, John Cornyn won't make a single campaign stop in the Panhandle - unless he is invited by some left-wing progressive tree hugger group.
Rumor around the twitterverse is that Gohmert is being wined and dined to run against Cornyn the Coward in the Senate primary this coming year. I hope it becomes more than a rumor.
SimplyPut
Six-man pro
20,000 pages of legislation a few Republicans truly fight against. The others just vote to keep their seats. As far as the Democrats, remember Too Big to Fail? I think this is the opposite, Too Big to implement. I think it is by design, so complex it will make the single-payer system look more attractive to those originally against it. Which is what Barry wanted in the first place. He wins again.
techster2000
Six-man fan
Topher80, I was just wondering what you thought of Canada's universal healthcare. Spent a week with the Can Am Bowl in Outlook this summer and noticed most weren't really bothered by it. Also noticed that gas is 6.00 a gallon and a gallon of milk was close to the same. Houses were outrageously priced as opposed to Texas and if you had to have any major surgery, you were on a waiting list. I'd like to hear from someone who actually lives there, though. I'm not in favor of gov't involvement in anything unless it's needed. I feel we need gov't involvement in healthcare, but not Obamacare. (They need to regulate outrageous lawsuits and insurance companies that caused this mess in the first place). What's your take?
freeagent
Six-man pro
The best story I heard about Canadian healthcare was several years ago. Under the Canadian system, it is illegal to take payments from human patients.
A guy had his dog at the vet in the Toronto area and the vet tells the guy that the best way to diagnose the dog was a CT scan. But the guy himself was on a several week wait for the CT scan, so he tells the vet how long would it be for the dog to get a scan.
The vet says that the dog (whose owner would have to pay cash for the scan) could get the study done the next morning at the local hospital, which shocks the dog's owner. Seems the local hospital realized if they did a few pets early in the morning for real money, they could make enough money to bring in an extra human patient or two each day and work down the backlog.
The fact that a dog could get a CT scan quickly while Canadian citizens and taxpayers wait for weeks wasn't news that the Canadian healthcare authorities could stomach. So they quickly instituted a regulation forbidding Canadian hospitals from doing radiologic studies on animals at human hospitals.
I noticed the sun rose yesterday morning (I saw it on my way to Austin, with my own eyes) even though the government was "shutdown." While it's still dark as I write this, I'm expected that the same will occur again today.
A guy had his dog at the vet in the Toronto area and the vet tells the guy that the best way to diagnose the dog was a CT scan. But the guy himself was on a several week wait for the CT scan, so he tells the vet how long would it be for the dog to get a scan.
The vet says that the dog (whose owner would have to pay cash for the scan) could get the study done the next morning at the local hospital, which shocks the dog's owner. Seems the local hospital realized if they did a few pets early in the morning for real money, they could make enough money to bring in an extra human patient or two each day and work down the backlog.
The fact that a dog could get a CT scan quickly while Canadian citizens and taxpayers wait for weeks wasn't news that the Canadian healthcare authorities could stomach. So they quickly instituted a regulation forbidding Canadian hospitals from doing radiologic studies on animals at human hospitals.
I noticed the sun rose yesterday morning (I saw it on my way to Austin, with my own eyes) even though the government was "shutdown." While it's still dark as I write this, I'm expected that the same will occur again today.
Actually techster, ALL of our problems with medical started when the government got involved heavily in 1965 when LBJ and the dhimmicrap controlled congress passed medicare/medicaid. Ever sicne then it has gottne worse every year, and of course the government's solution to the problem?
More Government involvement.
More Government involvement.
rainjacktx
Six-man fan
Old Bearkat":7h7le8bk said:
This. If you looked at a graph of healthcare costs from 1900 to present day, you can easily see when the increase in those costs started growing exponentially. It would be in the 1960's. I think there was a couple of year lag between passing the bill and seeing it's destructive effects.
Now over 60% of every dollar spent in healthcare comes from the federal government. I think we've had enough government involvement. But big Insurance wants government involved because their involvement creates barriers to market entry and reduces the nasty little profit robbing idea of competition.
smokeyjoe53
Six-man pro
Techster it called " Getting the camel's nose under the tent". Soon the whole camel will be in the tent......
oldfat&bald
Six-man fan
Have y'all heard about the WW2 vets from the Honor Flights just walking past the barricades at the WW2 Memorial. I hear the government is threatening to arrest them if they do it today.
How would you like to be a cop trying to enforce that? Those guys are old enough to not really care anymore and they've had experience assaulting fortified positions.
How would you like to be a cop trying to enforce that? Those guys are old enough to not really care anymore and they've had experience assaulting fortified positions.
SiXmAnMaDnEsS
11-man fan
When the Government "shut down" it was like the time it was going off of the "fiscal cliff". It is just scary words that scare the sheeple!
I am getting tired of Government period. I don't want anarchy, I just want to be able to brew homemade whiskey and make homemade explosives freely. Same as any RS resident wants.
And topher80....our statue of libery says "Give me your tired,your poor,Your huddled masses,yearning to breath free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
Send these, the homeless, tempest tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door."
And I stand firm in that. America is a sanctuary. We do welcome those who want to make a better life for themselves. And Universal Healthcare is not the way to do it.
And you say do it like the rest of the Western World? No thanks. My forefathers fought and died so we could be different. So we could be not just a nation; but an ideal. We are not a country, we are a belief. And by becoming everyone else, we lose that.
I am getting tired of Government period. I don't want anarchy, I just want to be able to brew homemade whiskey and make homemade explosives freely. Same as any RS resident wants.
And topher80....our statue of libery says "Give me your tired,your poor,Your huddled masses,yearning to breath free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
Send these, the homeless, tempest tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door."
And I stand firm in that. America is a sanctuary. We do welcome those who want to make a better life for themselves. And Universal Healthcare is not the way to do it.
And you say do it like the rest of the Western World? No thanks. My forefathers fought and died so we could be different. So we could be not just a nation; but an ideal. We are not a country, we are a belief. And by becoming everyone else, we lose that.
oldfat&bald
Six-man fan
SiXmAnMaDnEsS":27hhj2oc said:
You just said it better than I could.
MelaniB
11-man fan
I will be honest about how I feel, the Obamacare has scared me to death. I have 3 pre-exsiting conditions, serious ones. Heart failure, kidney failure and diabetes. If the doctors don't accept people with illnesses then I'm cooked. One of my doctors told me that if I show up and the door is locked, then it will be thanks to Obamacare and another specialist is letting some of the patients go. I hear and read to Impeach Obama. If so many people including me want him out, why can't we do it. I admit I'm not as smart as most of you on this board but am learning off you. I am horrified. Can someone explain to me why we can't put him out of office.
MelaniB":1ifnuish said:
Because the Senate contains enough dhimmicraps to block conviction on any impeachment the House makes. He has already exceeded Nixon's "crimes" and is committing more daily with impunity.
rainjacktx":18pzqj3r said:
And that's not all the feds did when they got into medical care big time in the 1960's. Does anyone remember when almost every county with more than 4000-5000 folks had at least one county hospital, or a private one partially financed by the county? In the early 1970's medicare/medicaid bureaucrats started complaining about the vast amount of paperwork they had to create to pay out to all the small hospitals around the USA. So, complaint congresscritters slipped in riders on different bills over the next few years that gave these 'crats the power to either shut down these hospitals or deny them federal payouts. All in the name of "Efficiency". It was all done slowly and quietly over a 20 or so year period and County level politicians were bribed with other federal funds for roads, sewers, etc to keep quiet. By the 1990's there were very few rural hospitals left, along with the doctors who ran private practices in those counties and used those hospitals.
Again, control was lost to the federal level, service got worse, costs got higher, and millions were left with anywhere from a 30 to a 100+ mile drive to go see a doctor. To fix the problems, dhimmicrap politicians, along with a few RINO's made suggestions to fix the problems with more control from DC.
MelaniB
11-man fan
Old BearKat I know. He deceives and and lies and the senate lets everything go. He has committed so many crimes and goes on committing more. I shake even talking about him. I know his motive is to make us all depend on government and that gives me a closed in feeling like being locked in a closet. I always wonder what his true motives are. My niece has informed me her husband that is in the military may not be paid this month. The commisary (sp) is closed today. If Obama keeps taking away from out military we are sunk. We won't be the land of the free. I don't know if it's rumor or not but that Obama is sending guns to countries that are in war. The countries are gassing and executing their own people. It's one thing after another. The Bengasi (sp) my spelling isn't good so please excuse me. I would hate to be one of their mothers wondering why the country didn't try to defend the 4 men. Everything is a big cover up and I feel the same way about Obamacare. What is the truth in that. I have a strong faith in God but he does allow people to make their own choices and I feel like I said locked up in a closet. I've gone on every site I can find to help voice my opinions and now I know it doesn't matter.
MelaniB
11-man fan
Another question, you guys are so very smart. When does the insurance thing start? I know my daughter has been sent paperwork but wondering if it's been postponed for a year. Your right Old Bearkat about the rural hospitals getting closed down. Now my brother has to travel 20+ miles to get to a hospital.
It all started yesterday.
Just wait until either one of three things happens to all of us who do have medical coverage as a benefit of being employed.
1) Your coverage gets dropped by your employer, and they give you a small sum to go out and get coverage through one of those "spiffy" exchanges that went into"operation" yesterday.
or
2) Your dependents coverage gets dropped and your employer tells you to go buy something for them
or
3) You keep your current coverage. It will be determined to be a "cadillac" plan by the government, and not only you, but also your employer will pay a special tax on it to help subsidize those who go on the 0bamaplan.
No matter what happens, plan on your medical insurance costs to at least double. It might be cheaper to pay the $250 fine to the IRS and get "free" federal medical care.
Just wait until either one of three things happens to all of us who do have medical coverage as a benefit of being employed.
1) Your coverage gets dropped by your employer, and they give you a small sum to go out and get coverage through one of those "spiffy" exchanges that went into"operation" yesterday.
or
2) Your dependents coverage gets dropped and your employer tells you to go buy something for them
or
3) You keep your current coverage. It will be determined to be a "cadillac" plan by the government, and not only you, but also your employer will pay a special tax on it to help subsidize those who go on the 0bamaplan.
No matter what happens, plan on your medical insurance costs to at least double. It might be cheaper to pay the $250 fine to the IRS and get "free" federal medical care.
oldfat&bald
Six-man fan
Old Bearkat":11iyyqx3 said:
Which is exactly what the O-hole and his buddies want. Everybody on Medicaid.
MelaniB
11-man fan
Whew I had a doc's appointment today to be fit for a decompression knee brace. I kept wondering all the way, about 20 miles from my house if my co-pay doubled. Nurse called me up to the front and told me sorry I forgot to call you back and schedule another appointment because the knee brace didn't come in. Tomorrow is another doc's appointment (same one) so I'll find out then. The doc does have a new paper up in the lobby about charging people for not showing up because of health care cost. He's never done that before.
To answer the question of healthcare in Canada in a few paragraphs is very difficult. Much like any system there are upsides and downsides.
First the upside, I never have to worry about going to see a doctor, or getting sick or needing hospital care or to pay for any surgery. Not a penny, I have had several surgeries in my life, in fact my daughter needs eye surgery at the end of this month. Free, no forms, no insurance companies to deal with. If your family doctor or specialist says you need it, you get it no questions asked. If I need stitches, I may have to wait an hour or two but it's free. Break a bone, it will be set for free. For the past 20 years, I have had an illness closely related to lupus. I never have to wait more than a few weeks to see a specialist at one of the major hospitals here in the greater Toronto area.
Now the bad. There is always a bad side. Lines are longer at emergency rooms because people who don't need to be there take advantage of our system. Silly things like kids who just have the flu, instead of going a family doctor in the morning, parents get all paranoid and go to the ER. There is a grading system, you will be evaluated and seen in priority sequence. If you are there just for a cold/flu, you'll wait 6-8 hours. If you are having a pain in your chest or arm, you are seen in 30 seconds... now someone mentioned about wait time for scans. You cannot be seen the next day. Our CT and PET machines in hospitals run 24/7 so your scan might be in two weeks and at 2am but it is free. If you have disposable income, you can drive to nearby Buffalo, NY and have it done the next day but it will cost you out of pocket. If there is a procedure that may save your life that is not available in Canada, the government can (not necessarily will) refer you to a US institution to have it done and will pay for it. I have seen a family friend get turned down and a relative get approved. Both ended up passing away. The longest wait time at the moment is for hip and knee replacement. It is about a year.
I have an elderly aunt who has cancer. The cancer has attacked her adrenal glands. There is no hope of curing it fully however because she is high priority, she sees her oncologist via internet every week and has to travel to see him once a month. She lives in a remote part of the province nowhere near a major town/city. She is undergoing chemo at the moment and started treatment 24 hours after oncologist recommended it.
Our taxes are higher, our houses cost more but our pay for the most part is also higher. Would I change our system? On the whole no, there are aspects I don't particularly like but that is like anything else in this world. I truly believe the Canadian health care system works here because virtually every Canadians believes that to deprive a child of a mother or father because they can't afford cancer treatment or bypass surgery is wrong and we are all willing to pay more taxes so that it won't happen to us, our neighbours, or even a stranger on the street. Saying that, in the 1950s and 1960s when we first implemented universal health care, there were a lot of people in this country who fought hard against it with a lot of the arguments that I see in the American media today. If Canada ever decided to get rid of universal health care, I would move with my family to a European nation that did. Thankfully, my wife and I have dual citizenship between Canada and the European Union. That is how strongly I believe in universal health care.
Could it work in the US? Will it ever be implimented in the US? I don't know, all I can say is the system here works for 99% of Canadians but it was a fight and struggle to convince people it would work.
First the upside, I never have to worry about going to see a doctor, or getting sick or needing hospital care or to pay for any surgery. Not a penny, I have had several surgeries in my life, in fact my daughter needs eye surgery at the end of this month. Free, no forms, no insurance companies to deal with. If your family doctor or specialist says you need it, you get it no questions asked. If I need stitches, I may have to wait an hour or two but it's free. Break a bone, it will be set for free. For the past 20 years, I have had an illness closely related to lupus. I never have to wait more than a few weeks to see a specialist at one of the major hospitals here in the greater Toronto area.
Now the bad. There is always a bad side. Lines are longer at emergency rooms because people who don't need to be there take advantage of our system. Silly things like kids who just have the flu, instead of going a family doctor in the morning, parents get all paranoid and go to the ER. There is a grading system, you will be evaluated and seen in priority sequence. If you are there just for a cold/flu, you'll wait 6-8 hours. If you are having a pain in your chest or arm, you are seen in 30 seconds... now someone mentioned about wait time for scans. You cannot be seen the next day. Our CT and PET machines in hospitals run 24/7 so your scan might be in two weeks and at 2am but it is free. If you have disposable income, you can drive to nearby Buffalo, NY and have it done the next day but it will cost you out of pocket. If there is a procedure that may save your life that is not available in Canada, the government can (not necessarily will) refer you to a US institution to have it done and will pay for it. I have seen a family friend get turned down and a relative get approved. Both ended up passing away. The longest wait time at the moment is for hip and knee replacement. It is about a year.
I have an elderly aunt who has cancer. The cancer has attacked her adrenal glands. There is no hope of curing it fully however because she is high priority, she sees her oncologist via internet every week and has to travel to see him once a month. She lives in a remote part of the province nowhere near a major town/city. She is undergoing chemo at the moment and started treatment 24 hours after oncologist recommended it.
Our taxes are higher, our houses cost more but our pay for the most part is also higher. Would I change our system? On the whole no, there are aspects I don't particularly like but that is like anything else in this world. I truly believe the Canadian health care system works here because virtually every Canadians believes that to deprive a child of a mother or father because they can't afford cancer treatment or bypass surgery is wrong and we are all willing to pay more taxes so that it won't happen to us, our neighbours, or even a stranger on the street. Saying that, in the 1950s and 1960s when we first implemented universal health care, there were a lot of people in this country who fought hard against it with a lot of the arguments that I see in the American media today. If Canada ever decided to get rid of universal health care, I would move with my family to a European nation that did. Thankfully, my wife and I have dual citizenship between Canada and the European Union. That is how strongly I believe in universal health care.
Could it work in the US? Will it ever be implimented in the US? I don't know, all I can say is the system here works for 99% of Canadians but it was a fight and struggle to convince people it would work.
