Baseball Alignments

We put it to paper. There are around 66 schools that are 1A-d2 numbers. More schools in the east than you think. Tried to break it down to districts. Some travel involved but may have more schools start back up if we had our own division.
 
I think if 6-man schools (or even 6-man eligible) had their own division...which I wouldn't mind seeing..I think the playoff structure would have to be different...personally I think it would work if the playoffs were a type of two loss elimination tournament...much like you have to go through to advance in little league playoffs...I would love to hear thoughts on this
 
Lehman - That would probably work, especially if the schools eligible for 6-man played. We have Thorndale and Thrall in our district, both of which are creeping up on 200 kids in their high school. Not sure how UIL justifies our 44 students competing. That discrepancy is no different than having 3A schools play 5A schools. Within two hours of Buckholts is Dimebox, Round Top Carmine, Fayetteville, Abbott, Mumford, Coolidge and Mount Calm. That's an eight team district or two 4 team districts of schools with similar enrollment figures. I'm sure it's worse out west, with more distance, but I'm not sure how to compete against teams that have more players in their baseball programs than we have in our high school.
 
Leman Saunders":1ombvnlc said:
I think if 6-man schools (or even 6-man eligible) had their own division...which I wouldn't mind seeing..I think the playoff structure would have to be different...personally I think it would work if the playoffs were a type of two loss elimination tournament...much like you have to go through to advance in little league playoffs...I would love to hear thoughts on this


If there are 8 districts, with two teams advancing; not sure why a 16-team playoff, single-elimination, tournament wouldn't work.
 
IF they are going to force us to compete with schools that are literally 4 times our size, what was the 6A really about? I thought that it was about evening the playing field. We have 14 State Championship in one sport, we have 5 Championships in another sport, 6 Championships in another sport... Where is the consistency?

Thought :
Why not redraw your cutoff numbers for every sport. If we are going to have a different district for each sport anyway.
 
coachsatcher":35frgxdm said:
Leman Saunders":35frgxdm said:
I think if 6-man schools (or even 6-man eligible) had their own division...which I wouldn't mind seeing..I think the playoff structure would have to be different...personally I think it would work if the playoffs were a type of two loss elimination tournament...much like you have to go through to advance in little league playoffs...I would love to hear thoughts on this


If there are 8 districts, with two teams advancing; not sure why a 16-team playoff, single-elimination, tournament wouldn't work.

Football just takes 2 anyway so have it set up just like that. 16 districts of 4 and top 2 go. 32 team single elimination.
 
Why can we not have "Six-Man" as a conference in and of itself? Schools participating in six-man football would be assigned to one district for all UIL athletic and academic contests. The first argument against such a proposal will be the travel for non-football sports. We as coaches and administrators may have to make a paradigm shift and realize that playing two basketball or baseball games per week was never written on the tablets Moses brought down from the mountain. Each district could decide what is best for them. Options could include a double round robin, a single round robin like football, some sort of district tournament or any number of other possibilities. Any of those sound much better to me than watching my kids compete with schools who double and sometimes come close to tripling our enrollment.

The next question will be what to do with those ultra small schools who do not play six-man. Frankly, there is where I think it is time to fish or cut bait. If you give your kids the awesome opportunity to play six-man football then you will be eligible for the Six-Man Conference. If you still elect not to play football, then you are placed in what is now conference AA. Since this is where most have already landed, there is no real penalty if you still do not play football but now there is real incentive to do so.

We in the six-man community are going to have to become more active and vocal (in a positive, professional manner) or we will continue to have uneven playing fields for our kids.
 
What if there were no districts, but regions, and playoffs set up just like the NCAA Basketball Toury goes...the regular season games/records are looked at for Region seeding, each region then plays their own bracket and the winners move on to the final four (best of 5 series) and those winners move on to the Championship Game (Best of 5 Series).

The question would be who would do the seeding.
 
Leman Saunders":3dcntzjt said:
What if there were no districts, but regions, and playoffs set up just like the NCAA Basketball Toury goes...the regular season games/records are looked at for Region seeding, each region then plays their own bracket and the winners move on to the final four (best of 5 series) and those winners move on to the Championship Game (Best of 5 Series).

The question would be who would do the seeding.


This idea is in place in Colorado for the state basketball tournament - and it is awful. The seeding committee can't possibly know how one team compares to another in a state that size - how could anyone make those decisions in a state the size of (& participation numbers of) Texas?
 
CodyMoree":3l83tb52 said:
The next question will be what to do with those ultra small schools who do not play six-man. Frankly, there is where I think it is time to fish or cut bait. If you give your kids the awesome opportunity to play six-man football then you will be eligible for the Six-Man Conference. If you still elect not to play football, then you are placed in what is now conference AA. Since this is where most have already landed, there is no real penalty if you still do not play football but now there is real incentive to do so.

We in the six-man community are going to have to become more active and vocal (in a positive, professional manner) or we will continue to have uneven playing fields for our kids.


You are saying we are at the disadvantage and need our own conference but because they don't play football or are already at a disadvantage playing 11man, it is okay? It doesn't bother me schools that are new 1A and choose not to play football or opt to 11man. We deal with them in basketball and they actually will help our cause for baseball. If we don't have them then no chance we get a 1A baseball alignment.

Seems a little elitist to kick people out because they don't play football or choose to play 11man, don't think forcing them to do it is the way to go. about it.
 
If they opt up in any other level, they are in that conference for all sports. I'm not sure why it's different for 1A/2A. It's not elitist, it's equal.

Baseball would be killer travel. And it would be tough to play those best of three (or five series). There are other sports that go on in the spring.....one of which is way more important than baseball. ;-)
 
My point exactly. Six-man schools do not wish to be considered elite but rather have the same opportunity for competitive districts in all activities like larger schools in higher classifications. Here's an example. Our high school has 56 students. We compete, at the district level, in basketball, one-act play, baseball, academics, and track with schools that have high school enrollments ranging between 150-160 students. If those activities were held within our six-man district, that amount of difference would not, and with our current cut-off numbers, could not exist.

Enrollment is also not the only factor. Often, the larger schools as mentioned above, have more resources, personnel, money, facilities, than many of the very small districts. We have schools in our baseball and softball districts that employ 11 coaches. Our district has three, which is very comparable with our district six-man opponents. I understand there are exceptions to every rule. I've seen the state track meet won by one child. There are stories of that occasional season where a very tiny school will ride the arm of an ace pitcher all the way to the state tournament. But, for the most part, larger schools are able to afford resources that can lead to a competitive edge over very small schools. I do not blame the larger schools. I applaud them. If I were able to afford an 11 member coaching staff for my kids I would do it.

I am also not advocating a major overhaul because my school is not successful. Quite the opposite is true. We are a play-off contender in just about every category. It's not about what is good for me. It's about doing what is right. I content that a Six-Man (or call it whatever you like) Conference is the most fair approach for the ultra small school.
 
As of last year Spring Meet (Academics, Golf, Spring Tennis, and Track & Field) is now split into a 1A-DII alignment. Basketball has been split for a while now.


Here is a link that our baseball coach put together going straight off the UIL alignment sheet. I realize that some of these teams may not play baseball anymore or are playing outlaw. I think you have to login to view it.

https://mapsengine.google.com/map/edit? ... C0qGI_F8ro
 
Lowest and Highest Enrollment per District

District 1
Follett - 47
Boys Ranch - 194

District 2
Kress - 45
Wellington - 160

District 3
Crosbyton - 99
Abernathy - 212

District 4
O'Donnell - 71
Tahoka - 187

District 5
Marfa - 86
Anthony - 208

District 6
Loraine - 38
Forsan - 196

District 7
Sidney - 32
San Saba - 200

District 8
Baird/Knox City - 95
Hawley - 205

District 9
Vernon Northside - 45
Windthorst - 164

District 10
Bryson - 78
Olney - 212

District 11
Tioga - 76
Valley View - 194

District 12
Ladonia Fannindel - 46
Trenton - 180

District 13
Gordon - 68
Tolar - 203

District 14
Iredell - 44
Moody - 213

District 15
Milford - 60
Itasca - 215

District 16
Coolidge - 89
Riesel - 203

District 17
McLeod - 52
Bogata Rivercrest - 211

District 18
Satillo - 67
Como-Pickton - 197

District 19
Laird Hill Leverretts Chapel - 58
Ore City - 211

District 20
Trinidad - 49
Cayuga - 192

District 21
Oakwood - 42
Centerville - 215

District 22
Groveton Centerville - 34
Groveton - 219

District 23
Mount Enterprise - 102
Joaquin - 215

District 24
Chester - 55
Pineland West Sabine - 202

District 25
High Island - 54
Hull-Daisetta - 186

District 26
Dime Box - 58
Anderson-Shiro - 204

District 27
Buckholts - 48
Thrall - 210

District 28
Fayetteville - 58
Ganado - 217

District 29
Menard - 86
Ozona - 215

District 30
Medina - 87
Bracketville Brackett - 212

District 31
Runge - 93
Refugio - 187

District 32
San Perlita - 88
Premont - 299 ** (3A)
 
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