Acuna, Mexico a city under seige

[MelaniB]

Back to what Eldrut was talking about is the useless killing over in Mexico. A young couple on vacation were riding their sea do's or what ever they're called and got to far out into the Cartels water, not knowing and were having a ball. Then the cartel started shooting at the man and killed him. Every time his wife went towards him they would ring shots at her. This went on several minutes, so it hit her that they weren't going to let her have her husbands. She had to turn around and go back the other direction without him. I don't know if she ever got him back or not.

 

[Old Bearkat]

Back to what Eldrut was talking about is the useless killing over in Mexico. A young couple on vacation were riding their sea do's or what ever they're called and got to far out into the Cartels water, not knowing and were having a ball. Then the cartel started shooting at the man and killed him. Every time his wife went towards him they would ring shots at her. This went on several minutes, so it hit her that they weren't going to let her have her husbands. She had to turn around and go back the other direction without him. I don't know if she ever got him back or not.

I believe they did get his body a couple of days later.

 

[MelaniB]

Thanks Ole BearKat, that makes me feel better and I know it made the wife feel so much better to have him back. I can't imagine the horror she went through and the grief of not even being able to retrieve his body so she could get out of there with him. I wouldn't advise anyone to go to Mexico at all, ever.

Smokey Joe we all know what you were doing over there. You told on yourself pleading the 5th Amendment

 

[rainjacktx]

I have to disagree with you on the idea that drugs don't make you do stupid stuff, rainman. Unfortunately, I have to deal with a meth head fairly regularly. From all accounts, he was a pretty decent, hard working guy before he got wrapped up in the crap. He is now about the most worthless, lazy, self centered POS wasting oxygen there is on this planet.

Meth is a byproduct of the failed 'war on drugs'. Through out history, people have found a way to escape from reality with chemical help. Had there not been a need for meth created by the scarcity of other chemicals due the edicts of an over reaching federal government meth would not be a problem today. And who pays for that? I have to talk to a pharmacist, show my drivers license, and sign my name on a list to get some Claritin-D. Now the meth crowd is finding other even more dangerous methods of making their drug.

Let's use your meth head as an example. All the drug laws we have on the books, and this guy still uses. Multiply that by a few hundred thousand. Okay - a million. We are handing over billions of our tax dollars to arm a national police force (supposed to be unconstitutional), provide assault vehicles to local municipalities, and build prisons, yet people still find a way to self-medicate.

The government doesn't want an end to the 'war on drugs' because it is a profit center for them, even though they've been losing the war since it began.

But my point with respect to the border is that it is almost exclusively the fault of the failed war on drugs. Decriminalize recreational drug use and sales in the US, and watch the border violence disappear over night.

 

[rainjacktx]

That is true OFB, when we add the drugs meth, crack, ice and herion then the US has a big mess. If I'm not wrong Rainjack is talking about weed. That's Mexico's number uno drug. Our states are voting to legalize weed right now. Mexico and the US are making big profits off the weed trade and the cartels don't want anyone stepping on their turfs because they don't don't want to lose their profits, another word they kill people out or greed. We have people in the US that make trips constantly over to Mexico to buy weed. Some get shot and others come home and leave for another trip after the weed is gone. The US lets the tons of weed get here then make their bust which proceeds go to the illegal cops selling the weed off. Also the US gets as big profit off of busting citizens with the weed. It's a lose lose situation unless Pot is legalized. Another thing I believe is the Drug Cartel has their drug runners over here as we speak.

Weed is a good start. But saying weed is okay but X, cocaine, or whatever, isn't is like saying Bud Lite is fine but Jim Beam is too dangerous.

I advocate the decriminalization of all drugs, and more specifically, the complete defunding and shut down of the DEA, ATF, and all other federal police forces. We gave the federal government power they were not entitled to to 'protect' us from a monster they cannot and will not defeat.

 

[smokeyjoe53]

But RJ if we take the Feds out of our lives who will tell us mindless drones what to do? How will we know how to do anything........... I hope you're not referring to something like personal responsibility ........

 

[MelaniB]

But ,but Rainjack if the US was to legalize all of these drugs the killings in Mexico might stop but they would start over here. This is embarrassing but my Nephew was on meth and a lady he was living with sold his stash. He comes after if with some black americans to find out she had already disposed of all he had made. She sold it earlier that day. The 4 guys get mad and then my nephew got mad and shot the lady who sold the drugs. So I know having drugs legalized isn't the right route. He's doing life without parole. I can't cry for him except for the fact he chose a wrong road to go down. He had all the help he could ever ask for but he didn't like our ways the straight and narrow, the ways of God. I hadn't thought of it but what's happening in Mexico is happening right here every day. He admits he wasn't in his right mind. He didn't take time to think out what the situation would be because he chose to shoot this lady. Now my nephew will die in prison because of drugs. Now that makes me cry.

 

[westexasflats]

But RJ if we take the Feds out of our lives who will tell us mindless drones what to do? How will we know how to do anything........... I hope you're not referring to something like personal responsibility ........

Yep, what would we know to do without old Brillo Pad head and his cronies...........

 

[rainjacktx]

But RJ if we take the Feds out of our lives who will tell us mindless drones what to do? How will we know how to do anything........... I hope you're not referring to something like personal responsibility ........

What an innovative concept: People being responsible for the decisions they make and the actions they take, and not being beholden to the federal government. Why, you sound positively revolutionary this morning, Smokey.

 

[smokeyjoe53]

Maybe Darwin had a point.........

 

[rainjacktx]

But ,but Rainjack if the US was to legalize all of these drugs the killings in Mexico might stop but they would start over here. This is embarrassing but my Nephew was on meth and a lady he was living with sold his stash. He comes after if with some black americans to find out she had already disposed of all he had made. She sold it earlier that day. The 4 guys get mad and then my nephew got mad and shot the lady who sold the drugs. So I know having drugs legalized isn't the right route. He's doing life without parole. I can't cry for him except for the fact he chose a wrong road to go down. He had all the help he could ever ask for but he didn't like our ways the straight and narrow, the ways of God. I hadn't thought of it but what's happening in Mexico is happening right here every day. He admits he wasn't in his right mind. He didn't take time to think out what the situation would be because he chose to shoot this lady. Now my nephew will die in prison because of drugs. Now that makes me cry.

Sorry to hear about your nephew. It is unfortunate. But had it not been a felonious act to buy or sell the meth - which would likely not exist anywhere except under the protection of the 'war on drugs', the landlady might not have been shot.

One of my grandads would drink with his buddies on Friday nights. He would come home piss drunk, pick up whatever was handy, and beat my mom senseless. No meth. No crack. Just beer.

We recovered from the chaos of Prohibition 80 some-odd years ago. I am quite confident that whatever violence erupts after drugs are decriminalized will be short term at worst.

 

[Texman301]

I am fairly conservative on a lot of things but I agree with rainjack on this subject. Part of the biggest high with drinking, smoking pot, or using more serious forms is the idea of not getting caught doing it. Remember back when you you were under 21 and it was the best thing to get someone to buy you beer or liquor? After you turned 21 it was no longer a challenge. You were legally able to purchase it. There was no more "danger" involved. I too, am sorry for your nephew, but in my opinion legal drugs would help make the strong survive. The ones that are "weak" enough to be duped into trying the harder drugs and getting themselves hooked will wither away and die or will get help and get themselves off of it for good. If you are one of the strong ones able to say NO, then you will be fine. Yes, it will get worse before it gets better, but I truly believe that legalizing all drugs would make things better in the long run.

 

[Little Doc]

I'd rather take my chances of going across the border to shop in Acuna before I'd ever want legalizing hard drugs in the US. If people would use the legal drugs that we have in the safety of their own homes, that would be one thing. But no! They have to get out in public and use them because they want to show everyone how big and important they are by doing it in public and endangering everyone. There are enough nuts out their now, without adding more. Just my conservative opinion. If the US allows it, then all of us will suffer. We'll be helping pay for these folks rehab when they come to their senses. Think our insurance prices are high now!

 

[smokeyjoe53]

But RJ if we take the Feds out of our lives who will tell us mindless drones what to do? How will we know how to do anything........... I hope you're not referring to something like personal responsibility ........

What an innovative concept: People being responsible for the decisions they make and the actions they take, and not being beholden to the federal government. Why, you sound positively revolutionary this morning, Smokey.

I too have Libertarian leanings......., more than any of the other so called legitimate political parties......... If I were a democrat, republican or tea party member I would be embarrassed to proclaim it.

 

[rainjacktx]

I'd rather take my chances of going across the border to shop in Acuna before I'd ever want legalizing hard drugs in the US. If people would use the legal drugs that we have in the safety of their own homes, that would be one thing. But no! They have to get out in public and use them because they want to show everyone how big and important they are by doing it in public and endangering everyone. There are enough nuts out their now, without adding more. Just my conservative opinion. If the US allows it, then all of us will suffer. We'll be helping pay for these folks rehab when they come to their senses. Think our insurance prices are high now!

The same logic was used in Briscoe County a few years ago when we had the opportunity to vote whether or not to go wet in one of the precincts.

To hear the anti-alcohol people tell it, women and children would be murdered in the street if Silverton was allowed to sell Coors Light. Drunk drivers would be so thick on the roads, it would be unsafe to drive. Never mind the fact that people who wanted to buy beer were forced to drive at least 50 miles do so, and they all seemed to make it home in relative safety.

The issue passed, and Silverton started selling beer. It even spawned the opening of three new businesses. People didn't die in horrific alcohol-induced driving accidents at any greater frequency than before the election. Women and children have so far been spared the horrors of a Reefer Madness-like violence spree.

Quite the opposite. Sales tax revenue paid to Briscoe County and the City of Silverton hit all-time highs. Triple digit increases from the dry days.

A debate can be had on how many and what kinds of drugs should or should not be legalized, but the notion that our society will decompose because of decriminalizing drug use is completely false.


To your last point - we already foot the bill for rehab. And that bill pales in comparison to how much money - taxpayer money - is spent on the DEA, ATF, etc. Not to mention the billions dumped into the overcrowded joke the legal system has turned into.

I'd rather not be forced to pay for any of it, but since that is not an option, I'd rather pay for rehab than I would outfitting a federal police force that often treats the constitution as toilet paper.

 

[rainjacktx]

But RJ if we take the Feds out of our lives who will tell us mindless drones what to do? How will we know how to do anything........... I hope you're not referring to something like personal responsibility ........

What an innovative concept: People being responsible for the decisions they make and the actions they take, and not being beholden to the federal government. Why, you sound positively revolutionary this morning, Smokey.

I too have Libertarian leanings......., more than any of the other so called legitimate political parties......... If I were a democrat, republican or tea party member I would be embarrassed to proclaim it.

That's pretty much me, as well. The Tea Party is a decent start, though. And I have to admit I get a tingle when I hear Ted Cruz speak.

 

[smokeyjoe53]

The very nature of politics corrupts good people. It is impossible to remain untouched by the siren-like pull of power........... but I know of no other system that comes close to ours........................

 

[oldfat&bald]

Rainman, I can totally agree about the failed war on drugs. All it has been is a federal power grab and a waste of money. What I have a problem with is even under our current system, it's next to impossible for a dope head to lose the rights to their kids. Even when the kids have a responsible parent to care for them. How is that going to be if drugs are decriminalized?

 

[MelaniB]

My worry is about the kids. We tried things, they will try things, even if it's legalized alcohol. I worry about them. And if they decide to go to a party where theres drinking theres usually guns. If everything was legalized then what would happen to our kids?

 

[Little Doc]

I agree with Mrs. B. If we legalize everything the kids will be the ones to suffer. We have laws because there are some people who can't regulate themselves. Most of us can, but many can not. We need the laws to protect ourselves from those who don't care about anything but themselves. The thought that something that is legal must be good for us, doesn't float for me.