UIL Proposal 1A 11 man football

Dumb and useless...you are talking about 20 teams at most that would fit into it.

There is already a UIL class for those size schools...it's called 6man/1A...the UIL will not make a class to accommodate 10-20 schools who are too stubborn to switch to 6man. That's my blunt opinion
 
1. No school currently playing 6man will elect to play 11man
2. There is already a classification for struggling 11man schools, 1A, if they choose to not participate then that is by their own choice, so why would the UIl create a classification if there is already one for them? They wouldnt and wont.

You are just talking about the very few schools who just refuse to play 6man (mainly bc they are ignorant to the game and think it isnt real football...which is a horrible excuse and most often used by school board members). The only option is possibly bringing back 8man and you still have the same problem...6man schools wouldnt do it and 11man schools still wouldnt do it bc it isnt as they think "real football"

The purpose of 6man is to give these school a competitive class BECAUSE they have low numbers...if they still choose to play 11man they are NOT solving their problem, just choosing to make things harder on themselves and the game not fun for the kids who play it. The UIL will not make a special class for such an extremely small amount of schools that purposely choose to not use what is already afford them in the 6man option.

FYI - The reason 8man went away and 6man remains is because it is easier for these struggling schools to field a 6man team than an 8man team.
 
I guess the only pros would be allowing the UIL the opportunity to squeeze more dollars out of the playoffs and being able to give more gold footballs away. As far as the cons............just re-read the pros.......
 
From what I've seen over the past 10 years, bringing the 8-man game back to Texas makes more sense now more than ever. 6-man wasn't created with the intent of having 25+ players on a team.

1) Move the 6-man cut-off to 75
2) Make the 8-man cut-off 76-125

You'd still have some stubborn schools play 11-man, and that's their prerogative - with all classifications being divided into 2 divisions, 8-man would be less appealing to successful small 11-man schools. The 11-man game translates pretty well to the 8-man game, so it would help "bridge the gap" for schools with declining enrollments (and fiscally it's a more viable alternative because converting the field is much easier).

The argument I've heard against this is that it would put 6-man coaches out of a job - we've seen so much crossover with 11-man coaches coming into 6-man & vice-versa over the past 10 years and it hasn't been a big deal. I know one 6-man HOFer who has told me on several occasions that he'd like the opportunity to coach 8-man.

Now that 8-man has been brought up, just wait for OBK to appear...
 
Epler's original intended enrollment for six-man football cut off was 100, so ya it is pretty much the state of six-man in Texas now, which would include some schools with 25 kids on the team.

8-man will not be brought back because as I said above, neither the 11man schools or the 6man school want it back by a large majority.

We are talking about 10-20 schools here that struggle in 11man because they refuse to play six-man, because it isnt 11man. even if there was strong support and a need for 8man...which there isnt...it is still not an option the schools we are talking about want.
 
Leman Saunders":3umwo0u2 said:
Epler's original intended enrollment for six-man football cut off was 100, so ya it is pretty much the state of six-man in Texas now, which would include some schools with 25 kids on the team.

8-man will not be brought back because as I said above, neither the 11man schools or the 6man school want it back by a large majority.

We are talking about 10-20 schools here that struggle in 11man because they refuse to play six-man, because it isnt 11man. even if there was strong support and a need for 8man...which there isnt...it is still not an option the schools we are talking about want.
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I agree that the "11man 1A" is a ridiculous proposal (nowhere near enough teams), just as I am well aware that 8man will not be brought back - that wasn't what I was saying. What I am saying is that due to the change in demographics across the state, Texas could feasibly support an 8-man division (again, I'm aware it will no happen). Like most things in our society today, rather than viewing at things objectively & putting the collective good (for communities and kids), people want to take a hard line on their position. I can tell you this - most schools faced with moving from 11-man to 6-man would much rather move to 8-man than move to a totally different style of play.

The thing about Epler intending the cutoff to be 100, much of that was due to the time period and one of his selling points was that it would be a less expensive game so schools could continue to field teams. I haven't taken the time to do the research, but I'm willing to bet that there were still schools in Nebraska playing 11-man that were under the 100 cutoff during Epler's days. Of course "plenty of teams" in NE is a relative term.
 
Great Post coach jshelton. I really don't believe that schools are being stubborn about going 6 man, but like coach jshelton mentioned, it is a totally different set of rules. Transition is not as easy. 8 man maybe the best alternative (I know Leman, its not going to happen), that may encourage the smaller 11 man schools. But who knows.
 
"totally different set of rules" is over selling it...there are about 10 rule differences and about 100 rules that are exactly the same.

It would be interesting to take a poll of the 19 schools that are in 1A that could play 6man but wont and ask them would you play 8-man. I'll willing to bet money over half would say no.

(and in Id say 15 of those it is because "we wont play 6man bc it isnt football" which is stubborness Ive called and asked every two years so trust me I know)
 
Leman Saunders":377dwtc7 said:
Would also be interesting to ask at the business meeting of the six-man coaches for those who want to bring 8man back to stand up...sure there would be a few...maybe 5-10 out of 200
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Have this same meeting with small school 11 man and I bet they all stand up.

I think the total number is more around 140.
 
Coach Brian Ramsey":59z6039u said:
Leman Saunders":59z6039u said:
Would also be interesting to ask at the business meeting of the six-man coaches for those who want to bring 8man back to stand up...sure there would be a few...maybe 5-10 out of 200
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Have this same meeting with small school 11 man and I bet they all stand up.

I think the total number is more around 140.
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I would take that bet and bet the farm on it...maybe 7 will...so you could have an 8man class with 7 11man schools and 5 6man schools...but again this is all wasted energy because there is already a class for those 19 11man schools looking for a new class...and it is 6man
 
There still is and is evidently deeply rooted resentment towards 6 man ball. There are some who came to realization that the only survival way was to switch to 6 man allowing their athletes to compete on an even field. Ask Throckmorton! It was a I’m sure a painful decision but from tradition it was the correct one! Academic success is entwined in athletic success st every level I’m sure that schools in the mentioned classification would relish the idea to remain 11 man and compete competively. The era of iron man football has passed! If you research the schools in the classification and look at their districts it’s evident that they are not as competitive. How long did it take Throckmorton to be competitive how long will it take Morton and Perrin Whitt to mention a few. 6 man football is still football takes blocking tackling passing and catching just like 11 man. Do you remember the Throckmorton/Windthorst game few years back two perrinial playoff teams played 1/2 11 man and 1/2 6 man and then who WON! It’s as most have said it’s the stubborn powers in charge who resent the label it portrays on them. Success in life is not a given but small boderline schools powers in charge need to educate themselves that it’s succees in athletics will help equate success in life! All it takes is a two year trial and who knows you may have the best bragging rights in Texas. Just ask Throckmorton
 
coach_jshelton":1nd5gt78 said:
From what I've seen over the past 10 years, bringing the 8-man game back to Texas makes more sense now more than ever. 6-man wasn't created with the intent of having 25+ players on a team.

1) Move the 6-man cut-off to 75
2) Make the 8-man cut-off 76-125

You'd still have some stubborn schools play 11-man, and that's their prerogative - with all classifications being divided into 2 divisions, 8-man would be less appealing to successful small 11-man schools. The 11-man game translates pretty well to the 8-man game, so it would help "bridge the gap" for schools with declining enrollments (and fiscally it's a more viable alternative because converting the field is much easier).

The argument I've heard against this is that it would put 6-man coaches out of a job - we've seen so much crossover with 11-man coaches coming into 6-man & vice-versa over the past 10 years and it hasn't been a big deal. I know one 6-man HOFer who has told me on several occasions that he'd like the opportunity to coach 8-man.

Now that 8-man has been brought up, just wait for OBK to appear...
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Some good points for sure, and no coaches wouldnt lose their jobs...but the strain on the districts would get worse and scheduling would get worse and it is already tough enough for some schools and districts...many hate the 4 team districts (and 3 team districts) bringing back 8-man would compound that problem.

Coach Shelton I know your pro 8man coming from Colorado but that ship sailed in Texas almost 40 years ago and it aint going to be docking here again. The two divisions in 1A serves all the needs of the class in the hardships of the polar ends of the enrollment within the classification. There is no need for it simply because we are talking about such a small number of school here. UIL isn't going to bring 8man back, alienation 90% of 6man coaches and schools to satisfy 20 schools playing beating their head against the wall playing 11man when they could be playing 6man....that's putting it bluntly but studying this very issue for over 10 years that basically sums it up pretty well I think.
 
To be clear I guess I should say Im not entirely against 8man or honestly the idea of bringing it back...Im just a realist about it and understand that it isnt going to happen because neither 1A or 2A schools want it (save for a very small % of them at best)
 
and if someone wants to trot out the "our kids are too big to play 6man" I dont buy it. Borden Co does pretty well with big kids, so does Jonesboro...and Wheeler, whom everyone points to as having to many big kids to play 6man in the 2000s...well their best two season in the last 17 years where their 2 seasons in six-man going 10-2 both years...it's just an easy out for some schools that the evidence doesnt support.
 
Coach Brian Ramsey":2fee5mgz said:
What do you think of this? Not sure how many teams would fit in this division. Pros/cons?
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Just Curious... Where are you from Coach Ramsey? Currently at a sixman school, or a school on the bottom side of the dividing line for 11 man?
 
I have a question for coach Ramsey -

If the cut off number to play 6man was 115.9 would your school elect to play it? If no my follow up would be to ask why not?

I personally think the cut off number should be 115.9 or 119.9 as it would give more schools a solid choice...like Fort Hancock who would be playing UIL 6man if they could.

Sorry if Im coming off as crass...AC went out and hit a deer in my truck last night
 

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