Tiebreaker question

[sixmanfan2007]

In 6-man Texas football only 2 teams make it into the playoffs.
Here is a scenario that is very possible:
Three teams finished with the same record in district all 3 are 3-1
I won't name any teams but will use A, B, and C
Team A beats Team B by 1
Team B beats team C by 2
Team C beat Team A by 3
If you use the point differential tiebreaker:
Team A is -2, Team B is +1, and Team C is +1
Since Team A won head-to-head against team C would Team A be the first seed?

Now let's change it
Team A beats Team B by 1
Team B beats team C by 2
Team C beat Team A by 4
If you use the point differential tiebreaker:
Team A is -3, Team B is +1, and Team C is +2
Would Team C seed be the first seed and Team A the second seed since they won head-to-head against Team B or would Team B be second since their point differential is larger than Team A?

 

[ModeratorMike]

Please keep in mind that I'm not 100% certain about this, but this is my understanding of how it works. Hopefully someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

Since all three teams are 3-1 in district, it goes to head-to-head matchups, and all three teams are 1-1 in head-to-head, so it goes to a point differential.

In the first scenario, Team B and Team C would go to a coin toss, or some other tie-breaker, I believe. Team A would be out.

In the second scenario Team A is out, Team C is #1 seed and Team B is #2 seed.

I'm also pretty sure that these rules don't necessarily apply to all districts. I'm thinking that each district executive committee sets their own tie-breaker rules at the beginning of the school year.

 

[Leman Saunders]

Well if Blackwell beats Bronte by 3 then we will find out in real time

Bronte beat Loraine by 1
Loraine beat Blackwell by 2

(assuming Trent doesnt spoil any of the 3 which is always possible)

 

[Coach Cooley]

Some districts still use a coin flip.

 

[sixmanfan2007]

Some districts still use a coin flip.

Yeah, I think it is up to the DEC

 

[Coach Cooley]

It’s voted on every realignment, when the bylaws are set!

 

[Bulldog'88]

Well we get to see this play out.

 

[sixmanfan2007]

Well if Blackwell beats Bronte by 3 then we will find out in real time

Bronte beat Loraine by 1
Loraine beat Blackwell by 2

(assuming Trent doesnt spoil any of the 3 which is always possible)

Well, it looks like it is likely that Blackwell, Bronte and Loraine could be in a 3-way tie for the 2 playoff spots.

 

[ModeratorMike]

Well, it looks like it is likely that Blackwell, Bronte and Loraine could be in a 3-way tie for the 2 playoff spots.

With Blackwell in the driver's seat. All they gotta do is not lose and they're the #1. Same with Loraine, I believe, and they'll be the #2.

 

[Wildcats5421]

With Blackwell in the driver's seat. All they gotta do is not lose and they're the #1. Same with Loraine, I believe, and they'll be the #2.

Even though Brontë won the head to head?

 

[ModeratorMike]

Even though Brontë won the head to head?

If my understanding is correct, head to head matchups don't matter because they've all beat each other (Loraine beat Blackwell). This district uses a point differential tie-breaker. All three teams have the same district record (assuming they all win out), so all three teams are subject to the tie-breaker rules (point differential). Again, if my understanding is correct and they all win out (regardless of the scores in those games), Blackwell will be #1 and Loraine #2.

 

[sixmanfan2007]

If my understanding is correct, head to head matchups don't matter because they've all beat each other (Loraine beat Blackwell). This district uses a point differential tie-breaker. All three teams have the same district record (assuming they all win out), so all three teams are subject to the tie-breaker rules (point differential). Again, if my understanding is correct and they all win out (regardless of the scores in those games), Blackwell will be #1 and Loraine #2.

I do recall in 2012 that Rochelle, Santa Anna and Zephyr tied
Rochelle won against Santa Anna by 30 and lost to Zephyr by 28
Santa Anna won against Zephyr by 20 and lost to Rochelle by 30
Zephyr won against Rochelle by 28 and lost to Santa Anna by 20
The district had a cap on points and they all ended with 0.
They had a coin flip and Rochelle was odd man out and I believe since Santa Anna beat Zephyr in head-to-head, they were number 1 seed and won a couple playoff games.
Zephyr, on the other hand, lost in bi-district.
I not sure on this but I believe that is the way it went

 

[ModeratorMike]

The district had a cap on points and they all ended with 0.

I think most districts that use the point differential put a cap on it. I think it's safe to say that, in this instance, that cap won't matter, especially for Blackwell.

Again, only assuming my understanding is correct, Loraine will end up with a +1 point differential. Blackwell will end up with CAP - 2. Bronte will end up with 1 - CAP. Assuming the cap is at least 3 (I'm sure it's well more than that), Blackwell ends up with a +1, minimum, and Bronte ends up with a -2, max.

 

[Bulldog'88]

Mike, my understanding aligns with yours and is based somewhat on statements made by Coach Weaver here at Loraine.

 

[Leman Saunders]

here is the district 6 tie breaker rules
Tie Breaking Procedure Using Point System

A point system will be used for breaking ties. The point system is based on an twenty-four (24) point system as the maximum. At the end of a game when a touchdown is scored, that team will have the opportunity to go for an extra point or two-point conversion. If a team forfeits, the score will be 24 to 0.

If two teams tie for the district championship, the team that beat the other in head-to-head competition will advance to the playoffs as the winner, and the other will advance as the runner-up.

If three teams tie for first place, the team that beat the other two will advance to the playoffs as the winner. The other two will compare head-to-head competition to determine which team will advance as runner-up. If one team did not beat the other two, the point system will be used. (Example: Team A beat Team B, Team B beat Team C, and Team C beat Team A). The team with the most cumulative points will advance as the winner, and the team with the second most cumulative points will advance as runner-up.

Games involving teams that are tied will be used in determining the point system.

If four teams tie for first place, the team with the most head-to-head victories will advance to the playoffs as the winner. The method used for a three-way tie will then be used to determine the winner and the runner-up.

If there is an outright winner but a tie for second place, the same tie-breaking procedures described above will be used, as applicable, to break the second place tie.

If the point system is tied, then go to a coin toss.

NCAA tiebreaker rules will be used.

 

[Leman Saunders]

Thus
Bronte beat Loraine by 1
Loraine beat Blackwell by 2
Blackwell beat Bronte by 50 (24 points is the cut off)

So points stand

Blackwell 22
Loraine 1
Bronte -23

 

[Bulldog'88]

Thank you Leman that was a nice explanation of the tie breaker rules.