Is TAPPS still going ahead with three divisions next year? I can't seem to find it on the TAPPS website anymore. Does that mean they are reconsidering? I really don't see the point. IMO, all it's going to do is water down what is already a very small system. As much as I love TAPPS sixman football, you have to admit that we are pretty low on the totem pole of TX football. Then to split those teams into even smaller groups, break up nice sized districts, and have three State Champions just doesn't make sense to me. I really hope it's not the "everyone wins" mentality sneeking into our beloved sport.
Three Divisions???
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loveofgame
11-man fan
Yes, the divisions and districts have already been set, most schools have already done their new district initial meetings.
cozmo cramer
11-man fan
http://tapps.net/wp-content/uploads/6-MAN-DISTRICTS.pdf
here is the link for your answer......
I read on another thread a few weeks ago that Temple Holy Trinity will be joining Tapps 6-man.
What division & district would they go into...
Also,
PEOPLE PLEASE DON'T TAKE THIS THE WRONG WAY... BUT....
I think this betters the competition for schools like Houston Emery-Weiner, Now they can get away from that iron-man-bowl 5 peat and compete with better competition now with the Division I schools.
here is the link for your answer......
I read on another thread a few weeks ago that Temple Holy Trinity will be joining Tapps 6-man.
What division & district would they go into...
Also,
PEOPLE PLEASE DON'T TAKE THIS THE WRONG WAY... BUT....
I think this betters the competition for schools like Houston Emery-Weiner, Now they can get away from that iron-man-bowl 5 peat and compete with better competition now with the Division I schools.
cozmo cramer
11-man fan
Holy Smokes.....
You are right, Division III District 1.....
I'm sure glad I'm not paying that diesel/gas bill for a bus....
El Paso Jesus Chapel
Lubbock Kingdom Prep
Amarillo Holy Cross
Wichita Falls Christian
Wichita Falls Notre Dame
Lubbock to el paso ............5 hrs 49 minutes
Amarillo to el paso ............ 7 hrs 18 minutes
Wichita Falls to el paso ....... 8 hrs 4 minutes
I wonder how many forfeits will take place one this district starts its district games.
You are right, Division III District 1.....
I'm sure glad I'm not paying that diesel/gas bill for a bus....
El Paso Jesus Chapel
Lubbock Kingdom Prep
Amarillo Holy Cross
Wichita Falls Christian
Wichita Falls Notre Dame
Lubbock to el paso ............5 hrs 49 minutes
Amarillo to el paso ............ 7 hrs 18 minutes
Wichita Falls to el paso ....... 8 hrs 4 minutes
I wonder how many forfeits will take place one this district starts its district games.
freeagent
Six-man pro
I really was not (and still may not be) a fan of the three division format, but here's how it was explained to me.
There is a problem with playoff seeds, etc. when you have a five division format (for example, one district in West Texas, one or two in the DFW area which could be as far as Longview and Wichita Falls, one or two in Austin/San Antonio, and another district in the Houston area). It is difficult, especially with travel, to do four districts in each division -- especially if one of those districts tends to be small (three or four teams).
As most know, I tend to like larger districts (six to eight teams) because it (1) takes a lot of scheduling headaches away when you have 5 to 7 district games set ahead of time and (2) sets up a schedule with more MEANINGFUL games (games that determine if you're in the playoffs and give a team with a loss or two in district play a chance to compete for a playoff spot. Since 7 of the last nine or ten D2 champs have come from such a district, I think I can make a solid case for that.
My concern with the three division format is that if teams are unable to play, we end up with two or three team districts (for example, last year, D2 District 3 was a two team district). But, if most or all of those teams are able to play the season, it should work.
Perhaps the three division format might encourage some of the smaller (<25 boys) or mid-size (25rr-40 boys) TAPPS member schools to start up a six-man program (one of the BETTER encouragers to that would be to drop fall soccer, but then again, to me, soccer is a commie pinko sport).
I haven't confirmed this with the TAPPS powers-that-be, but one of my spies is telling me that the playoff format next year in six-man will be a three week, eight-team tournament in each division; taking only the top two teams from each district. I figured it would be extremely difficult to play a 16-team field, as each division is only about 20 teams, but I could see a four-week, 12-team field with the district champions getting a first round bye.
There is a problem with playoff seeds, etc. when you have a five division format (for example, one district in West Texas, one or two in the DFW area which could be as far as Longview and Wichita Falls, one or two in Austin/San Antonio, and another district in the Houston area). It is difficult, especially with travel, to do four districts in each division -- especially if one of those districts tends to be small (three or four teams).
As most know, I tend to like larger districts (six to eight teams) because it (1) takes a lot of scheduling headaches away when you have 5 to 7 district games set ahead of time and (2) sets up a schedule with more MEANINGFUL games (games that determine if you're in the playoffs and give a team with a loss or two in district play a chance to compete for a playoff spot. Since 7 of the last nine or ten D2 champs have come from such a district, I think I can make a solid case for that.
My concern with the three division format is that if teams are unable to play, we end up with two or three team districts (for example, last year, D2 District 3 was a two team district). But, if most or all of those teams are able to play the season, it should work.
Perhaps the three division format might encourage some of the smaller (<25 boys) or mid-size (25rr-40 boys) TAPPS member schools to start up a six-man program (one of the BETTER encouragers to that would be to drop fall soccer, but then again, to me, soccer is a commie pinko sport).
I haven't confirmed this with the TAPPS powers-that-be, but one of my spies is telling me that the playoff format next year in six-man will be a three week, eight-team tournament in each division; taking only the top two teams from each district. I figured it would be extremely difficult to play a 16-team field, as each division is only about 20 teams, but I could see a four-week, 12-team field with the district champions getting a first round bye.
Like I said, "watering down." With an 8 team bracket some district races may be over midseason. Then what's the incentive to play out the season when, for some schools, there is nothing left to play for? Bigger brackets = more chances to make the playoffs and district races going down to the last game.
I too like bigger districts- simplifies scheduling for coaches and every game means something.
I too like bigger districts- simplifies scheduling for coaches and every game means something.
loveofgame
11-man fan
If anything this makes small schools look for other organizations due to travel, instead of joining us in tapps. Seven hour district games are killer for the small schools.. It could even force programs to close. I am glad to see wildcard points go.
coachbronk
Six-man fan
I personally like the 3 division look and I believe that by moving to 3 divisions, TAPPS will actually have more teams come in because in the past schools didn't play in TAPPS because they would be forced to play 11-man football. With this 3 division look I think more fringe schools will now move to 6-man Division 1 and private school six-man football will grow in numbers. '
Just my opinions.
Just my opinions.
Coach Adams
Six-man fan
Wonder Dog":q7ikw0ym said:
The Ironman Tournament and Independent Bowl was good for us for years. That was the only thing our kids could play for that had meaning. But we are truly excited to be able to move into TAPPS sixman football play. I can tell you on the scheduling side it made things a lot easier not having to look for games for the later weeks when teams are in district play. As a coach it feels good to know the first five non-district games will prepare us for the last five district games of the season that have meaning.
Division I District 3 looks to be very competitive. Alpha Omega (9-4) won the district the last two seasons. Logos Prep (10-3) and Baytown Christian (6-5) were each playoff teams last year. Katy Faith West went 10-0 last season and beat us twice. Pasadena First Baptist (5-5) made the playoffs two years ago and I heard they have some good young kids. We're the new kids on the block. At 4-6 last season we have a lot of work to do. We look forward to being a part of this Houston area district.
Coach Adams
Six-man fan
freeagent":2cl6fh7m said:
John the tentative TAPPS calendar http://tapps.net/wp-content/uploads/TENTATIVECALENDAR201415.pdf has 4 rounds of playoffs ending December 5th & 6th. I'm interested to see how the brackets look for sixman Division I. There are three districts in Division I compared to four in Divisions II & III.
speedkills
Six-man fan
It will be interesting to see what TAPPS decides to do with the playoff format. Historically they have always liked 16-team brackets. Some people make the argument that it's too watered-down with 16 but I've never understood the logic behind that. Sure there are several playoff teams that might enter with a losing record or questionable merit, but the bottom line is that the cream always rises to the top. The two best teams will be playing on the final Saturday when all is said and done.
Every now and then you have the outlier team that qualifies for playoffs and forfeits the 1st-round game for one reason or another, but those instances are few and far between. And while it's true that a lower-seeded team will probably get hammered against a district champion, the kids/coaches/parents/school of the underdog team definitely love having the opportunity to play David vs. Goliath. I think TAPPS would be wise to continue using a 16-team bracket, or at the bare minimum, at least a 12-team bracket.
Every now and then you have the outlier team that qualifies for playoffs and forfeits the 1st-round game for one reason or another, but those instances are few and far between. And while it's true that a lower-seeded team will probably get hammered against a district champion, the kids/coaches/parents/school of the underdog team definitely love having the opportunity to play David vs. Goliath. I think TAPPS would be wise to continue using a 16-team bracket, or at the bare minimum, at least a 12-team bracket.
speedkills
Six-man fan
It's an interesting topic to debate. As Pup mentioned earlier, if you take too few teams then you face some real apathy and disinterest when playoff spots are potentially already decided with 2-3 weeks left in the season. Take too many and it can seem watered down. The UIL takes 4 per district in most classifications, and TAPPS takes 16 out of 18 in Division 1 crowded field. Good arguments could be made for doing it either way.
freeagent
Six-man pro
speedkills":169k5hmy said:
Thanks, Adrian for the confirmation.
I can't see a 16 team bracket when there are only 18-22 schools or so in each division. Playing a district schedule to eliminate two or four teams doesn't make much sense. The 12 team format does make sense although I hate bye weeks to start playoffs (especially if your final regular season opponent cancels). You'll have the #2 from one district play the #3 from another district and that winner takes on a #1 seed, who gets the bye. I'd recommend that TAPPS allows the #1 seed to host that second round game so that the site of that game can be arranged ahead of time.
speedkills
Six-man fan
The D2 set-up is not very logical, especially given that Holy Trinity is trying to get into a district. If you added HT (and even Live Oak) into the group of District 3 schools & split them into 2 separate districts you would have 5 districts of 4/5 schools each. And geographically it's a good fit (all 10 schools are in the Central Texas area). And therein lies the problem - it's too logical and makes too much sense, so it probably won't happen.
