Kick Recovery Rules

[kdstew3]

I've searched through this rules document from the UIL and cannot find the rule to support the following:

• Can a ball be advanced after recovered on a blocked field goal or a turnover on the extra point try.
  • Last night, we had an intercepted two point conversion try (really 1 point, but it was a failed kick snap. The defender intercepted it; there was no whistle until our player tackled the defender.
• Can a ball be advanced once recovered on an onside kick.
  • Honestly never knew this was a rule, but last night, during an onside kick, our player took the ball to the house after grabbing it off a bounce. It was loud, so I'm not sure if there was a whistle or not. However, after this particular play, the refs placed the ball back (I'm assuming) where the recovery took place.

If these are rules, can someone point to a rules document that I can look at, and, maybe explain why I can't find it in the one I linked, assuming I didn't miss it. Thanks!

 

[GoLopes]

I don’t know where to find any supporting documents, but it’s always been my understanding that a turnover or blocked PAT is a dead ball in 6 man, and onside kicks are returnable just like 11 man. Pretty sure I’ve seen a few advanced both for and against us this season in JV and Varsity contests.

 

[GoLopes]

https://www.uiltexas.org/files/athletics/UIL_Six_Man_Variations_June_2013.pdf

There’s your PAT answer, and it doesn’t say anything about advancing an onside kick

 

[sberry2023]

The kicking team cannot advance an onside kick. It is down at the point of recovery.

sb

 

[ZeroRisk]

On the Try:

Six-man Exception 4-1-3-d: During a try after touchdown the ball becomes dead when Team B gains possession or it is obvious that a kick is unsuccessful.

On a Field Goal:

There is no such six-man exception. It's a live ball if blocked and recovered and can be run for a touchdown.

Onside kick:

Rule 6-1-6(a): "...If caught or recovered by a player of the kicking team, the ball becomes dead."

There is no six-man exception for this. Kicking team can recover, but not advance, a kick.

 

[GoLopes]

On the Try:

Six-man Exception 4-1-3-d: During a try after touchdown the ball becomes dead when Team B gains possession or it is obvious that a kick is unsuccessful.

On a Field Goal:

There is no such six-man exception. It's a live ball if blocked and recovered and can be run for a touchdown.

Onside kick:

Rule 6-1-6(a): "...If caught or recovered by a player of the kicking team, the ball becomes dead."

There is no six-man exception for this. Kicking team can recover, but not advance, a kick.

I thought he was talking about the receiving team advancing an onside kick lol makes more sense he’s asking about the kicking team

 

[CoachPhillips]

Its not the same as if receiving team has possession and then fumbles. that would be a live ball and an advancement would be allowed.

 

[kdstew3]

The kicking team cannot advance an onside kick. It is down at the point of recovery.

Unless you are talking about a different rule than the one below, please post a source. The following rule comes up when I google the rule you stated and does not state what you said.

"Unless relocated by penalty, the kicking team’s restraining line on a kickoff is the 30 yard line on a six-man field and the 20 yard line for a free kick after safety. The receiving team’s free kick restraining line is 15 yards from the point of kickoff. There is no requirement to have a minimum number of players on either side of the kicker. If the result of a Free Kick is a touchback for Team B, and the placement of the ball is not relocated by penalty, the ball will next be put into play from Team B’s 20 yard line.

The ball must travel 15 yards on a kickoff (or place kick/punt after a safety) or be touched by the receiving team before members of the kicking team are eligible to touch it."

 

[ModeratorMike]

Unless you are talking about a different rule than the one below, please post a source. The following rule comes up when I google the rule you stated and does not state what you said.

"Unless relocated by penalty, the kicking team’s restraining line on a kickoff is the 30 yard line on a six-man field and the 20 yard line for a free kick after safety. The receiving team’s free kick restraining line is 15 yards from the point of kickoff. There is no requirement to have a minimum number of players on either side of the kicker. If the result of a Free Kick is a touchback for Team B, and the placement of the ball is not relocated by penalty, the ball will next be put into play from Team B’s 20 yard line.

The ball must travel 15 yards on a kickoff (or place kick/punt after a safety) or be touched by the receiving team before members of the kicking team are eligible to touch it."

I found it here, on the bottom of page FR-68: https://taso.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/2023-NCAA-Football-Rule-Book.pdf

Free Kick Caught or Recovered
ARTICLE 6. a. If a free kick is caught or recovered by a player of the receiving team, the ball continues in play (Exceptions: Rules 4-1-3-g, 6-1-7, and 6-5-1and 2). If caught or recovered by a player of the kicking team, the ball becomes dead. The ball belongs to the receiving team at the dead-ball spot, unless the kicking team is in legal possession when the ball is declared dead. In the latter case, the ball belongs to the kicking team.

 

[sberry2023]

I found it here, on the bottom of page FR-68: https://taso.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/2023-NCAA-Football-Rule-Book.pdf

Thanks for the assist.

 

[CoachLanc]

Unless you are talking about a different rule than the one below, please post a source. The following rule comes up when I google the rule you stated and does not state what you said.

"Unless relocated by penalty, the kicking team’s restraining line on a kickoff is the 30 yard line on a six-man field and the 20 yard line for a free kick after safety. The receiving team’s free kick restraining line is 15 yards from the point of kickoff. There is no requirement to have a minimum number of players on either side of the kicker. If the result of a Free Kick is a touchback for Team B, and the placement of the ball is not relocated by penalty, the ball will next be put into play from Team B’s 20 yard line.

The ball must travel 15 yards on a kickoff (or place kick/punt after a safety) or be touched by the receiving team before members of the kicking team are eligible to touch it."

Because "the kicking team recovering the onside" isn't sixman specific (besides it going 15 yards), it isn't going to be on the document you originally shared.

 

[ZeroRisk]

Its not the same as if receiving team has possession and then fumbles. that would be a live ball and an advancement would be allowed.

You're correct. Using the technical terms from the rules, once a member of the receiving team has player possession of the ball, the "kick play" is over and a "running play" is now underway. As a result, a fumble at that point is a live ball returnable by the kicking-team-turned-defense just like the defense can in a regular scrimmage play.

 

[kdstew3]

Thanks everyone!