Junior High Success = Varsity Success???

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sillyjeeper

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I'm curios whether success in junior high football is a reliable indicator of how successful the Varsity team will be? I'm interested in hearing about the current Gordon team's record from junior high, the past Richland Springs record, and any other successful Varsity teams records from junior high. Strawn? Benjamin? May? Others?

I remember Borden County when they had their run had dominated in junior high. Same with Westbrook, that Back to Back Westbrook team was undefeated both years in junior high.

Are there any other teams like this? How reliable is the junior high records for a successful high school record???
 
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I think you can't put a lot of faith in JH or JV records in predicting varsity level success across the board. Now the quality of coaching at those lower levels can positively effect outcomes for sure. But schools playing sixman, outcomes can greatly vary depending on as little as one or two players and their development.
 
gameofsix said:
I think you can't put a lot of faith in JH or JV records in predicting varsity level success across the board. Now the quality of coaching at those lower levels can positively effect outcomes for sure. But schools playing sixman, outcomes can greatly vary depending on as little as one or two players and their development.
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interesting thoughts
I agree one or two players moving in or out can be a big difference maker.
 
sillyjeeper said:
I'm curios whether success in junior high football is a reliable indicator of how successful the Varsity team will be? I'm interested in hearing about the current Gordon team's record from junior high, the past Richland Springs record, and any other successful Varsity teams records from junior high. Strawn? Benjamin? May? Others?

I remember Borden County when they had their run had dominated in junior high. Same with Westbrook, that Back to Back Westbrook team was undefeated both years in junior high.

Are there any other teams like this? How reliable is the junior high records for a successful high school record???
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The current varsity team for Gordon has only lost one game since 5th grade and that was against Abbott by 8 points I think their freshman year
 
sillyjeeper said:
I'm curios whether success in junior high football is a reliable indicator of how successful the Varsity team will be? I'm interested in hearing about the current Gordon team's record from junior high, the past Richland Springs record, and any other successful Varsity teams records from junior high. Strawn? Benjamin? May? Others?

I remember Borden County when they had their run had dominated in junior high. Same with Westbrook, that Back to Back Westbrook team was undefeated both years in junior high.

Are there any other teams like this? How reliable is the junior high records for a successful high school record???
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The current Water Valley varsity team has had very successful youth, and JH seasons. I believe starting in a youth program paved the way for success. Communicating with your High school coaches on what formations, defenses, and position terminology to coach, gives the players boost for success in JH, and high school.

The West Texas Youth Football program has helped several current top 10 schools have success. Klondike, Borden County, Westbrook, Water Valley are a few of those schools that have participated and competed well.
 
sillyjeeper said:
I'm curios whether success in junior high football is a reliable indicator of how successful the Varsity team will be? I'm interested in hearing about the current Gordon team's record from junior high, the past Richland Springs record, and any other successful Varsity teams records from junior high. Strawn? Benjamin? May? Others?

I remember Borden County when they had their run had dominated in junior high. Same with Westbrook, that Back to Back Westbrook team was undefeated both years in junior high.

Are there any other teams like this? How reliable is the junior high records for a successful high school record???
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No.
 
I know of a one JH, one HS 4A school, probably there are more than one, that start in 7th grade running the same offense and same defense as they will through HS. They have won state about 4 times and gone to state about 4 times that they didn’t win. The HS coaches and AD are involved with JH and JH coaches are involved with HS. These kids never huddle. All plays are called from side line. Yes I believe that this helps. Multiple JHs in large schools makes it harder.
 
Usually if they are good in JR High they have developed quicker than other kids and may not grow much after. Size matters and a small kid that gets bashed and beat early learns to work hard constantly where those with advantages young tend not to. If an entire town doesn’t live to win it’s not going to happen often. That is, great athletes are made, good athletes are just talented and blessed physically. Just an observation from the stands.
 
I would assume that if the kids that had great success in JH would translate to high school only if nobody moved out and everyone stayed. We had a great JH and had a lot of really talented kids leave that wouldve helped us in HS. Yet, we still had better than average success in HS without them but... if they stayed wow lol. Would've been great times!!! And a lot more depth!
 
Techman32 said:
I would assume that if the kids that had great success in JH would translate to high school only if nobody moved out and everyone stayed. We had a great JH and had a lot of really talented kids leave that wouldve helped us in HS. Yet, we still had better than average success in HS without them but... if they stayed wow lol. Would've been great times!!! And a lot more depth!
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Sometimes that’s true for sure. There are so many factors that come into play. It takes a great effort to have a successful program. A consistently successful one isn’t based on fate but a massive amount of sacrifice, dedication and work by a lot of people inside and outside of a school.
 
I appreciate everyone's thoughts and comments on this matter. We heard from Water Valley and Gordon, and I have heard from Borden Co. and Westbrook from when they all had their successful runs. They all had successful teams in junior high before success in High School. I was really curious to hear from the teams that had super success for 2-3 years straight like the current Jayton team, and Strawn's, Richland Springs, May, Highland from back in the day. And any other team that I may have left out that had a really good run in high school.

It seems to me that junior high success may or may not be a very reliable indicator for high school success. The successful teams that I have heard from and have commented on here have all reported that they had successful teams in junior high as well. Building a successful culture starts with the junior high and even the little leagues and peewee's. But, there are enough of those teams out there that had transfers in or out that made or broke the team. Also cases where the junior high team didn't have the same level of attention and coaching as the high school team so not much success was seen in junior high. Then the teams that had players develop faster such as in junior high and then leveled out in high school.

So somewhat inconclusive for my answer. Could be a leading indicator but not a reliable indicator.
 

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