If i was a coach i would run Smart routes

[HighwayRobbery]

Highway robbery I don't understand your train of thought. I'm not a coach, but i played football 12 yrs of my life, and six being in buckholts. Buckholts has MANY plays to counter what you just said.

I would respond, but why waste my time when mmcbee did it for me? (see below)

In my program we run # routes, and have many different pick route combinations. I use the same concept in spread whereas we never block with our up backs. If they rush 2 there's always one open, usually a dump that goes for 15. If they man up across the board it puts us in a very favorable position with only 1 man locked up on our spreadback. We also add concepts or smartroutes to our # routes. Where if you finish your route into the sideline you turn up the sideline. Posts work back to the middle. No matter where the spreadback is he always knows he has a deep sideline, dumps both sides. short sideline, and a middle route.

Guess you should be a d-coordinator for any team we play. I don't think our offense is unique or innovative. We just try and play to our strengths. Several teams run a very similar offense.

Eh, it would be hard to work for ten to twelve different schools in a year. However, I would sure be willing to give my help to any school who plays Buckholts. Then again, the only thing I know about Buckholts comes from the fact that some of their kids cried on this website in 2007 because Prairie Lea allegedly played dirty. I don't know what happened, other than it ended three way tie and both teams didn't make the playoffs, but I say this to illustrate the point I do not know what you run. However, it sounds like you do not take advantages of numbers or understand the difference in six man vs. eleven man. Honestly, I think its great that you got kids to college but I guess I would ask why you didn't go farther with them? You obviously care about your players and want to be good, but understanding the numbers remains critical to being successful in and versus the spread. PM me if you want help coach and I would be glad to give it you, but any good spread needs to do what mmcbee said in his post. In fact I will post it again because I like it so much:

In my program we run # routes, and have many different pick route combinations. I use the same concept in spread whereas we never block with our up backs. If they rush 2 there's always one open, usually a dump that goes for 15. If they man up across the board it puts us in a very favorable position with only 1 man locked up on our spreadback. We also add concepts or smartroutes to our # routes. Where if you finish your route into the sideline you turn up the sideline. Posts work back to the middle. No matter where the spreadback is he always knows he has a deep sideline, dumps both sides. short sideline, and a middle route.

 

[truckguy11]

After having the opportunity to play a few years as a backup QB in the NFL, the key is precise routes. At Tomball Christian we have a passing tree established that allows the QB to call out numbers corresponding to each route. We worked every day on running the routes to a precise point. Nothing against the quality of player we face in sixman, but when a receiver runs a precise route, it is very tough for anyone in HS football to cover him completely. In 2012 Tomball won the D1 TCAL title and their QB was Dave Campbell's TCAL Player of the Year, because we had wr, not with great speed, but great route runners, that were able to get open and catch the football, and a QB who had a good arm, but was patient enough to wait if needed for the route to develope. Sometimes it was a short dump, sometimes it was a crossing route, which is the hardest to cover, and sometimes he went deep. When you use all of the routes and attack the field in zones, it is impossible to keep it covered forever. Don't make it more difficult than it needs to be. You need a guy who can be patient at qb, who can run if needed, and wr's that can run precise routes and work the field when the qb is in trouble. My old coach said,"a good coach can take the average player and make him good, the good player and make him great."

 

[coachsatcher]

Eh, it would be hard to work for ten to twelve different schools in a year. However, I would sure be willing to give my help to any school who plays Buckholts. Then again, the only thing I know about Buckholts comes from the fact that some of their kids cried on this website in 2007 because Prairie Lea allegedly played dirty. I don't know what happened, other than it ended three way tie and both teams didn't make the playoffs, but I say this to illustrate the point I do not know what you run. However, it sounds like you do not take advantages of numbers or understand the difference in six man vs. eleven man. Honestly, I think its great that you got kids to college but I guess I would ask why you didn't go farther with them? You obviously care about your players and want to be good, but understanding the numbers remains critical to being successful in and versus the spread. PM me if you want help coach and I would be glad to give it you, but any good spread needs to do what mmcbee said in his post. In fact I will post it again because I like it so much:

1997 was a long time ago. We didn't make it any further because we were beaten by better teams. I have no problems with that. When I came in, I completely changed their offense; which takes time. Only been here two years and can honestly say; I have yet to be beaten by a spread back - Not once. The teams that cause us trouble are the ones who can line up and drive you off the ball and run all over us. No one, in two years, has kept us under four TD's. Everything we do offensively is a numbers games. We create mismatches all over the field. Again, 4932 yards in 2012 and 5801 in 2013. We're talking semantics here. Scoring is scoring, I don't care the "mentality".

 

[HighwayRobbery]

Eh, it would be hard to work for ten to twelve different schools in a year. However, I would sure be willing to give my help to any school who plays Buckholts. Then again, the only thing I know about Buckholts comes from the fact that some of their kids cried on this website in 2007 because Prairie Lea allegedly played dirty. I don't know what happened, other than it ended three way tie and both teams didn't make the playoffs, but I say this to illustrate the point I do not know what you run. However, it sounds like you do not take advantages of numbers or understand the difference in six man vs. eleven man. Honestly, I think its great that you got kids to college but I guess I would ask why you didn't go farther with them? You obviously care about your players and want to be good, but understanding the numbers remains critical to being successful in and versus the spread. PM me if you want help coach and I would be glad to give it you, but any good spread needs to do what mmcbee said in his post. In fact I will post it again because I like it so much:

1997 was a long time ago. We didn't make it any further because we were beaten by better teams. I have no problems with that. When I came in, I completely changed their offense; which takes time. Only been here two years and can honestly say; I have yet to be beaten by a spread back - Not once. The teams that cause us trouble are the ones who can line up and drive you off the ball and run all over us. No one, in two years, has kept us under four TD's. Everything we do offensively is a numbers games. We create mismatches all over the field. Again, 4932 yards in 2012 and 5801 in 2013. We're talking semantics here. Scoring is scoring, I don't care the "mentality".

That's your problem, Chad, you don't care.

 

[B6MF]

Actually he does care he wants to do what's best for his team and players
Not just on the field, but he was also on the students about keeping their grades up. If you didn't have at least an 80 you couldn't start and anything under a 75 prevented you from playing. Without Coach Satcher i wouldn't be half the player I was my senior year. He always did what he thought what was best for the team on and off the field.

 

[B6MF]

Truckguy11 I agree with you whole heartily, tomball faced wrs they couldnt cover either. Mostly because 1 on 1 matchups and precise routes.

 

[B6MF]

I am so thankful I get to read this football genius. its a mixture of Mike Leach and Fergie all rolled into one...genius boys genius.

Is this a compliment? I'm not really sure, but thanks.

 

[B6MF]

In my program we run # routes, and have many different pick route combinations. I use the same concept in spread whereas we never block with our up backs. If they rush 2 there's always one open, usually a dump that goes for 15. If they man up across the board it puts us in a very favorable position with only 1 man locked up on our spreadback. We also add concepts or smartroutes to our # routes. Where if you finish your route into the sideline you turn up the sideline. Posts work back to the middle. No matter where the spreadback is he always knows he has a deep sideline, dumps both sides. short sideline, and a middle route.

The system I have is almost like the one you have, if you don't mind me asking where do you coach?

 

[beastmode]

I think your mistaking the term "smart routes" from your NCAA gaming on your x-box. However I know what you're trying to say. The term "option routes" is more appropriate if u ask me. Option routes IS Wes Welker at TTU. The out route was turned into a double route depending on the coverage and open space. Ill leave it at that

 

[B6MF]

I think your mistaking the term "smart routes" from your NCAA gaming on your x-box. However I know what you're trying to say. The term "option routes" is more appropriate if u ask me. Option routes IS Wes Welker at TTU. The out route was turned into a double route depending on the coverage and open space. Ill leave it at that

Don't play ncaa don't know what you mean, I just couldn't come up with a term. Yes but you caught what I meant.

 

[beastmode]

It's a lot more complicated then just telling your WR to run a smart route. Art Briles has his receivers run potentially 3 "option" routes on one play. It is a lot of read and react but your QB and your WR's have to KNOW which option to take instead of guessing where his players are going.

 

[B6MF]

It's a lot more complicated then just telling your WR to run a smart route. Art Briles has his receivers run potentially 3 "option" routes on one play. It is a lot of read and react but your QB and your WR's have to KNOW which option to take instead of guessing where his players are going.

Yes i understand this, but with six people on the field it makes this read a little easier partly because the field is more open.

 

[coachsatcher]

That's a first for me, but acting like you know anything about me confirms my initial thoughts of your comments. Any person who knows me or played for me knows what I'm about and that caring has never been my downfall. Plenty of other negatives, but caring has never been one of them. Drawing defenses or offenses up on a napkin or white board doesn't make you a genius. More goes into an offense than just x's and o's. Personnel plays a key role, as does length of time in your system. My system could be different next year; just depends on who shows up for two-a-days. Last year my leading rusher had 500+ yards. This year I had two backs go over the 1,200 yard mark on the ground. All depends on your personnel. I've always been confident enough to be able to score however you let me. Stop the run? We'll throw all night. Stop the pass? We'll run all night. Leave my blockers open? (LOL) My center or backs will have another 10 catch 100+ yard game.

This thread was about "smart" routes and then strategy. You've turned it into something personal, but using my first name doesn't mean you know me. My name is Chad Satcher. I coach at Buckholts ISD. My sixman record is 15-8, two district championships (6-0) and one playoff win. I live in Cameron Texas with my wife Sheree and two kids Elijah and Jatiree - both adopted in 2012. Now, next time you want to sound like you know me, you at least will have a little more credibility.

 

[B6MF]

To get back on to topic I'm open for criticism, and would like to hear opinions of others.

 

[beastmode]

Well obviously the main issue is pass protection. In 11-man you have 5 guys on the line with potentially 5 WR. That alone creates more route combinations than you can do in 6-man. In 6-man if you go spread, your'e basically limiting 2 of the 5 receivers, running limited routes.

A dual-threat SB will buy time but that goes against your logic because he's just creating more time for receivers to get open. That's pretty much just playground style but good coaches can choreograph some great route combinations and create good opportunities/mismatches for the WR's to get open or for the SB to take off and run.

If you take away the 2 up-backs and put them on the line of scrimmage and run a sort of 5-Wide offense, then the pass protection is your kryptonite. It will also limit "option" routes because you won't have the time for the "option" routes to occur. You can get fancy and run some motion to possibly at another blocker, but again, there goes one of your options at WR.

Like I said before, a GOOD coach can create success with a pass-first offense, but it comes with detail, personnel, great coaching, and commitment. The same can be said about tight teams.

 

[B6MF]

You won't need too long for the option routes if its a slant you hit him fast. If its deep you can release early and put air on it.

 

[beastmode]

Hypothetically what if the two defenders were just better athletes overall than yours and can jam your receivers and cover slants/etc. no problem? Also what if a defensive coach figures out your tendencies or should I say the QB's tendencies to throw to certain receivers (aka your limited 6-man roster)? It's more than just "protection won't matter if you throw a quick slant or a deep route." That's extremely easy to prepare for defensively if that's your strategy. Especially week after week.

 

[rainjacktx]

That's a first for me, but acting like you know anything about me confirms my initial thoughts of your comments. Any person who knows me or played for me knows what I'm about and that caring has never been my downfall. Plenty of other negatives, but caring has never been one of them. Drawing defenses or offenses up on a napkin or white board doesn't make you a genius. More goes into an offense than just x's and o's. Personnel plays a key role, as does length of time in your system. My system could be different next year; just depends on who shows up for two-a-days. Last year my leading rusher had 500+ yards. This year I had two backs go over the 1,200 yard mark on the ground. All depends on your personnel. I've always been confident enough to be able to score however you let me. Stop the run? We'll throw all night. Stop the pass? We'll run all night. Leave my blockers open? (LOL) My center or backs will have another 10 catch 100+ yard game.

This thread was about "smart" routes and then strategy. You've turned it into something personal, but using my first name doesn't mean you know me. My name is Chad Satcher. I coach at Buckholts ISD. My sixman record is 15-8, two district championships (6-0) and one playoff win. I live in Cameron Texas with my wife Sheree and two kids Elijah and Jatiree - both adopted in 2012. Now, next time you want to sound like you know me, you at least will have a little more credibility.

And THAT, ladies, is how you own a troll. Kudos, coach.

 

[coachsatcher]

Well obviously the main issue is pass protection. In 11-man you have 5 guys on the line with potentially 5 WR. That alone creates more route combinations than you can do in 6-man. In 6-man if you go spread, your'e basically limiting 2 of the 5 receivers, running limited routes.

A dual-threat SB will buy time but that goes against your logic because he's just creating more time for receivers to get open. That's pretty much just playground style but good coaches can choreograph some great route combinations and create good opportunities/mismatches for the WR's to get open or for the SB to take off and run.

If you take away the 2 up-backs and put them on the line of scrimmage and run a sort of 5-Wide offense, then the pass protection is your kryptonite. It will also limit "option" routes because you won't have the time for the "option" routes to occur. You can get fancy and run some motion to possibly at another blocker, but again, there goes one of your options at WR.

Like I said before, a GOOD coach can create success with a pass-first offense, but it comes with detail, personnel, great coaching, and commitment. The same can be said about tight teams.

I've never done it before, but what if you do go "5 wide". My assumption would be the defense would have to man-up. That would leave the QB one on one with a rushing defender. My team is full of quick, receiver-types and really lack in size. Wouldn't this, theoretically, leave at least one defender in a really bad match up? I've never had the stones to try it in a game, but was always curious how I would match up against a team that ran this against my defense. The answer is - I couldn't - consistently. If the QB is in a shotgun formation, he's already created a window of opportunity for two receivers to run short routes, one a "hot" route, and one to stretch the defense long if time permitted. I don't know zone defensive schemes very well; but I fear the day someone does this to me; and pray my rush gets to him quick enough or picks the lane his hot route was in. I have a great respect for those coaches who have kicked my tail in the tight formation and I continue to attempt to implement it here in Buckholts. But watching a team like Waco Methodist shred a defense through the air is awesome as well.

 

[Blue Bird]

I am unsure of the present SB protection rules. In the mid-90's, the officials had what was reffered to as the "one step rule". If the rusher could reach your SB with one step from the time the ball was thrown, he could plant your SB with a nice unprotected form tackle. Made it really tough on SB's who did not have an option to run to throw with accuracy for the whole game. They were literally tackled hard on every play. Have seen SBs drop to the ground after throwing the ball and still be speared in the back. No protection and no flags. I am not a fan of five on the line spreads. In the end I think you will lose your big games.