Grading-Ranking Officials
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Caprock kid
11-man fan
I figured it was the UIL since that is their minions. If it was up to the coaches then refs would never have a good reputation
Old Bearkat
Six-man expert
Will the films show their seeing eye dogs asleep on the sidelines?
It seems like chapters are selected to do games...in the playoffs and especially the championship game it would be nice to have an All-Star ref team do the games based on past performance during the season...Maybe select 2 or 3 Officials from each chapter who have displayed excellence...
PopRay":110vz8uu said:
Split crews from different chapters are no longer allowed.
Having been on one it is a good thing.
Chapter selection is up to coaches. Then they usually agree on a crew to work the game. If not UIL assigns and chapter determines the appropriate personel and submitts back to those schools for approval.
Also there is no system in place or can be on place that really is fair or ranks. Now every game has film submitted. Even if it did their is not enough personel in chapters to grade and review every game.
freeagent
Six-man pro
Old Bearkat":1l7bvfm1 said:
Don't get started on the dogs.
Last year, the seeing eye dogs filled in for the refs one game and by the end of the year, they were the highest ranking crew in the chapter.
Only problem was the dog slobber on the ball when they set it on the line of the scrimmage.
Coaches said the crew growled at them less than the human refs.
Little Doc
11-man fan
Folks, I've been just as critical as anyone about officials, but I believe we need to step back and honestly say most officials do a pretty good job. As a society, we're too critical about a lot of things. Sign up to be an official regardless of the sport and experience first hand why there is a shortage of officials. Some are probably not very good, but it's better to have them and play, than not to get to play the game. They can't be perfect, but at least they are trying. No, I'm not an official.
Little Doc":3gv48a7j said:
Freeagent I love it! I had a dream the other night I was working six man and a dog ran onto the field and made a ball carrier who was about to score fall. Me and some fellow officials had a good laugh about what the heqq we would do if it happened.
Doc, makes a great point. Retention of officials is at a major low point across the country. It is hard enough to find guys to cover sub varisty and varsity games but keeping them is harder when they are not respected and go through what some do. It is bad enough when three newer guys are working their tails off at sub varsity games to learn and get better and now they quit because they simply can not take the coach who acts like its a D1 championship game or the parents any longer.
Some chapters have to be forced to not call certain schools or demand games be moved off Friday nights in order to cover games.
No we can not be perfect. A lot of us try like heqq to be near perfect. Many of the things you think are wrong actually end up being right. Its the things only we understand or know about we mess up that goes unseen to you that bothers us. Everyone of us will make mistakes. That is unavoidable. The trick is with time eliminating them and knowing how.
truthhurts04
11-man fan
I have 3 big gripes about officials....1st and biggest to me is the "its not my call" statement! If you see it throw your flag it doesn't matter who's call it is! This one really sets me off and has become a big issue during most of our games. 2nd is when the white hat tells you to talk to him during the game if you have a problem...then you approach him calmly to discuss something and he gets an attitude with you. That's when I become hostile and now people get yelled at! HOLDING...call it! Can't tell you how many times we get held and its never called. I'm talking jersey pulling, taking us to the ground holding. Its game changing, especially when the team is already twice the size of us...now we have no chance in the game!
freeagent
Six-man pro
rickref72":2tjvjye0 said:
I thought the rule that the official is a part of the field would hold true for a loose dog ... I know in basketball the rule is that if you run into the ref that's tough, he's part of the floor.
But I concur ... we need to encourage young men (players?) to consider becoming officials. One thing I suggested to coaches and officials chapters is that, perhaps when you do scrimmages, the officials should meet with the players and invite them to become officials when they graduate/go on to college. It's not a bad way to make a few bucks (a friend of mine told me of how he made a lot of money in college calling baseball and softball games) and it's a good way to start building a new cadre of refs.
And we like most of you guys, anyway. Even though most of you are blind. Except that you always see our blocks in the back and miss the opponents.
Caprock kid
11-man fan
I was a girls soft ball umpire back my first 2 years of school and I don't miss the moms and dads yelling at me for calling their child out but I did make 45 bucks a game. And it was always cool yelling STRIKE 3!!!
Caprock kid
11-man fan
Well it was more than one day...about 2 years worth.
truthhurts04":8i3kxhr2 said:
1. Saying "Its not may call." Does not imply he saw it. Truth is we are not ball watchers and should not be. Example If I am on your sideline and you want holding that you say you saw on the far side of the field, chances are I did not see it and it is not my call. Fact is if the crew is functioning correctly R,U, and other side official have all the looks around that ball carrier. I would be looking at all backside trash and not looking into that area. Also traditional training from pro ranks and down is you do not officiate out of your pond. If you do something else is getting missed we need eyes on. About the only time that is encouraged is if you happen to catch safety issues such as targeting, late hits, etc. Everyone has certain responsibilites and they shift as a play develops.
2. I agree with you. If you are professional you deserve that same respect.
3. Holding. Anyone worth a grain of salt that does this looks for these categories of holding. A. Hook and twist. B takedown. C. Grab and restrict. Jersey pulls can happen all day but are not holds untill it can meet these criteria. Yours does sound like a hold call. Sometimes that boils down to if the covering officials are looking at the right players at the right time.
Key is does the holding player do something to take the feet away from the pursuing player?
Do you send film to your chapter to have them review? You should. Ask them to use it as a tool to help guys get better. Give them clip numbers and even open dialogue with them to respond about it.
coachsatcher
Six-man fan
I understand what everyone is saying about respecting the officials and not being so hard on them; but the issue is there is no accountability for their work - positive or negative. If a coach has a bad moment, the official can remove him from the contest, justified or not. Then UIL gets involved and has the option of putting sanctions against that coach for any amount of time deemed fair. However, if an official has a bad moment, bad game or anything (which is human) - no one holds them accountable. No sanctions, no disciplinary action - nothing.
If I'm paying for a service, and the service is inadequate, there must be a recourse or at least a deterrent to avoid this result in the future. There must be a system in place to hold officials accountable, for the positive and negative. Grading them after a game is insufficient if the results are never tallied and correlated to find trends or tendencies. Reward the officials who have great seasons with post season work. But also, stop allowing officials who have received multiple complaints, from multiple school districts, represent your chapter in the playoffs. Officiating is a tough job, and there's no way I could ever do it. I have the utmost respect for all that do it. I just wish the accountability in High School sports was universal for all participants - Officials included.
Disclaimer: The officials that worked our games this year were really good and we look forward to having you back.
If I'm paying for a service, and the service is inadequate, there must be a recourse or at least a deterrent to avoid this result in the future. There must be a system in place to hold officials accountable, for the positive and negative. Grading them after a game is insufficient if the results are never tallied and correlated to find trends or tendencies. Reward the officials who have great seasons with post season work. But also, stop allowing officials who have received multiple complaints, from multiple school districts, represent your chapter in the playoffs. Officiating is a tough job, and there's no way I could ever do it. I have the utmost respect for all that do it. I just wish the accountability in High School sports was universal for all participants - Officials included.
Disclaimer: The officials that worked our games this year were really good and we look forward to having you back.
coachsatcher
Six-man fan
I agree with you if this was a practiced policy on zone officiating. But, officials are human and they follow the play, just like everyone else.
