sixmanfan5588
Six-man fan
Where are we on crack back blocks this year? Are they still allowed? If not, can someone show me where to find the rule on that.
Crack Backs
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Garrett2810
11-man fan
I saw a good crack back yesterday by an Oglesby player in front of a ref with no flag so I believe it's still legal and in my opinion should stay legal.
coachsatcher
Six-man fan
Haven't seen any rules against the crack back, but the same rules apply.
1. Can't hit low on an inside defender, when coming from outside.
2. Can't lead with the crown.
3. Can't leave your feet to hit.
4. Something about a defenseless player maybe???
Other than that, it's fine.
1. Can't hit low on an inside defender, when coming from outside.
2. Can't lead with the crown.
3. Can't leave your feet to hit.
4. Something about a defenseless player maybe???
Other than that, it's fine.
Legacy Zebra
Six-man fan
I'm going to assume that when you say "crack" you mean coming frm out wide and blocking back towards the middle. This block is legal as long as you don't hit the defender in head/neck are or below the waist. If you crack it has to be between the shoulders and waist.
Forget the head or waist deal, if you are poisitioned outsde the end( in 11 man 7 yards across) and 5 yards on the defensive side of the ball and all the way to the end zone on the offensive side, you cannot block below the waist.Toward the original position of the ball. Out side of that area all blocks below the waist must be from 10 to 2 o'clock, in other words the man getting blocked must be able to see the block coming and be able to defend himself. You hit him from the side and it's a penalty. Now there is a low blocking zone and it is pretty much the old clipping zone, you just have to be in that zone to start with , you can't come from outside and block low.
The head or shoulders deal is to protect a defenseless player, and that is a whole different deal.
The head or shoulders deal is to protect a defenseless player, and that is a whole different deal.
Legacy Zebra
Six-man fan
It actually does apply to somebody coming from outside to block inside. A player on the receiving end of a blind side block (i.e. a linebacker getting cracked) is considered defenseless. If the player you're blocking can't see the block coming, you can't hit him in the head or neck and you can't hit them below the waist.
There is a list of defenseless players and a linebacker making a play on the ballcarrier ain't nowhere on the list.
The defenseless player deal is the biggest misnomer ever, you can legally hit a player if he is making a play on the ball, you can hit him in the helmet as long as you don't doo it with the crown or leave you feet to hit him.
The defenseless player deal is the biggest misnomer ever, you can legally hit a player if he is making a play on the ball, you can hit him in the helmet as long as you don't doo it with the crown or leave you feet to hit him.
Legacy Zebra
Six-man fan
We're not talking about a linebacker hitting the ball carrier. We're talking about a wide receiver coming from outside and cracking a line backer. This whole thread is about crack back blocks, not defenders making a play on a ball carrier. The simple fact is that if you are coming from out wide and blindsiding a defender in the middle, you can't hit him below the waist or above the shoulder.
I will attempt to clarify several statements on here as this question as morphed into multiple topics. The rulebook is more technical than most people realize
Targeting.
1. You can NOT target and make forcible contact against an opponent with the crown (top) of your helmet.
2. You can NOT target and make forcible contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent with the helmet, forearm, hand, fist, elbow or shoulder. When in question, it is a foul
A player who receives a blind side block is a defenseless player.
Leaving your feet to hit someone is NOT illegal. It is a high risk move which increases your chances of a “targeting” but you can launch and leave your feet without fouling. If you don’t hit with your crown and don’t hit a defenseless player in the neck and head area you can launch all day long.
Crack back
This term is used loosely but in order to answer correctly we need more information:
1. the location of the initial contact
2. the location of the blockee
3. the location of the blocker
4. the location of the ball
5. the location of the original position of the ball.
Typically when we talk about a crack back, we are describing a WR who is lined up out wide and at the snap heads back towards the ball and immediately blocks a defensive end or linebacker that is closest to him.
If he hits the LB or DE in the chest or side and above the waist this is legal
If he hits the LB or DE in the neck or head area and the LB or DE never saw it (ie blindside) we have targeting. This is what we called “hitting someone in the earhole” in my day
If he hits the LB or DE in back. Aka in the numbers on the back of his jersey, we have a block in the back.
If he blocks the LB or DE below the waist from in front or from the side we have an illegal block below the waist.
If he blocks the LB or DE below the waist from in front, behind or from the side we have an illegal block below the waist
If he blocks the LB or DE below the waist from behind and at or below the knees this would be clipping.
If you are talking about something different, please give more information.
Targeting.
1. You can NOT target and make forcible contact against an opponent with the crown (top) of your helmet.
2. You can NOT target and make forcible contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent with the helmet, forearm, hand, fist, elbow or shoulder. When in question, it is a foul
A player who receives a blind side block is a defenseless player.
Leaving your feet to hit someone is NOT illegal. It is a high risk move which increases your chances of a “targeting” but you can launch and leave your feet without fouling. If you don’t hit with your crown and don’t hit a defenseless player in the neck and head area you can launch all day long.
Crack back
This term is used loosely but in order to answer correctly we need more information:
1. the location of the initial contact
2. the location of the blockee
3. the location of the blocker
4. the location of the ball
5. the location of the original position of the ball.
Typically when we talk about a crack back, we are describing a WR who is lined up out wide and at the snap heads back towards the ball and immediately blocks a defensive end or linebacker that is closest to him.
If he hits the LB or DE in the chest or side and above the waist this is legal
If he hits the LB or DE in the neck or head area and the LB or DE never saw it (ie blindside) we have targeting. This is what we called “hitting someone in the earhole” in my day
If he hits the LB or DE in back. Aka in the numbers on the back of his jersey, we have a block in the back.
If he blocks the LB or DE below the waist from in front or from the side we have an illegal block below the waist.
If he blocks the LB or DE below the waist from in front, behind or from the side we have an illegal block below the waist
If he blocks the LB or DE below the waist from behind and at or below the knees this would be clipping.
If you are talking about something different, please give more information.
we all seen them, they are more often in 6-man. some times down right dirty of the player. no matter what side of the ball. How do you correct ? (Zebras) need to make good calls on weather fair or fowl. I've seen kids target guys who are out of the play all together just to smear him into the turf. now if the zebra would call a personal fowl and bring back the ball to line of scrimmage plus penalty. then maybe some kids would not do this. but it is football and not golf where etiquette is in play.
Leaving your feet to deliver a blow is NOT a foul..... If you leave your feet and dive into and ram your shoulder into the rib cage of the ballcarrier that is a great hit..
It is only a foul if that "leaving your feet" leads to delivering a blow to the head or neck area of a "defenseless player" or you use the crown of your helmet to deliver a blow.
Getting off topic again, but
would be a personal foul, every time, all the time. However the enforcement could not always be the previous spot. When this hit occurred and whether by the offense of defense would determine where the penalty would be enforced from. However these should be flagged. As mentioned earlier the lack of experience often plays a role. That plus the the wide openness of the game makes often difficult to pick up. Calling six man requires the official to have his head on a swivel much more than eleven man.
Hondo is pretty darn spot on this rule. There ar several rule components to a block that is often generalized. I will try and make it as simple here:
Here is what wing an deep offficials need to know and might be simple for coaches to understand:
1. Offensive players out side the "tackle box" can not ever block below the waist coming toward the original position of the ball.
2. A player who is the recipient of a blindside ( essentially not looking for it) block (could be during the traditional crack block DE, LB usually) is considered defenseless under targeting rules. Therefore the blocker may not hit the player with the crown of his helmet anywhere on his body. The blocking player may not hit this player neck and above with any part of his body. This can also take place at other times during a play. For example a long run down the sideline where an offensive player will come toward the sideline and block a pursueing defensive player.
3. Also block in the back is in play. So no one can come inside and block in the back.
Essentially the block zone is at the side to the front above the waist and below the neck to be safe for any blocks coming in from the outside.
A player who is obviously out of the play is also classified defenseless. He can not be hit anywhere with a crown of the helmet or with any body part neck and above with forcible contact. If so 15 and DQ the player delivering the blow. If contact that happens on a player out of the play and is not targeting the following applies:
Contact Against an Opponent Out of the Play
ARTICLE 12. a. No player shall tackle or run into a receiver when a forward
pass to him obviously is not catchable. This is a personal foul and not pass
interference.
b. No player shall run into or throw himself against an opponent obviously out
of the play either before or after the ball is dead.
Here is what wing an deep offficials need to know and might be simple for coaches to understand:
1. Offensive players out side the "tackle box" can not ever block below the waist coming toward the original position of the ball.
2. A player who is the recipient of a blindside ( essentially not looking for it) block (could be during the traditional crack block DE, LB usually) is considered defenseless under targeting rules. Therefore the blocker may not hit the player with the crown of his helmet anywhere on his body. The blocking player may not hit this player neck and above with any part of his body. This can also take place at other times during a play. For example a long run down the sideline where an offensive player will come toward the sideline and block a pursueing defensive player.
3. Also block in the back is in play. So no one can come inside and block in the back.
Essentially the block zone is at the side to the front above the waist and below the neck to be safe for any blocks coming in from the outside.
A player who is obviously out of the play is also classified defenseless. He can not be hit anywhere with a crown of the helmet or with any body part neck and above with forcible contact. If so 15 and DQ the player delivering the blow. If contact that happens on a player out of the play and is not targeting the following applies:
Contact Against an Opponent Out of the Play
ARTICLE 12. a. No player shall tackle or run into a receiver when a forward
pass to him obviously is not catchable. This is a personal foul and not pass
interference.
b. No player shall run into or throw himself against an opponent obviously out
of the play either before or after the ball is dead.
