10 messages from Obama!!!!!
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Old Bearkat
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BE":3d6zyczc said:
Nah, he said that to the voters in his district when they unelected him after 2 terms.
You could start a new thread on the impact of that oath by Crockett. Bearkat I'm with you on the ObamaCare package. Problem is government through Medicare, etc. and disregard of tort reform essentially made healthcare a right for all Americans but never provided the full amount to pay for it. That's called an unfunded mandate when they do it to states, but tough luck when they did it to the healthcare industry. People that are insured have been taxed for the uninsured for years through higher premiums due to higher costs by providers who have to offset indigent care. This bill does not address that issue. Instead of shifting the higher premiums to taxation and offsetting that with no insurance (which is also a bad idea) they devised this hybrid junk that will lead to higher premiums, higher costs and higher taxes. In addition it creates another pool of money that the government can squander as it sees fit i.e. Social Security. Bush was the right President for the job of foreign policy, but domestically he and the Republicans were a mess. You reap as you sow. Carter was elected because of the disdain that Nixon created. Clinton actually wised up and got to the middle. Obama.... well he's the smartest man in America and we should all shut up and let him run our lives.
SavannahSixManFan
11-man fan
ObamaHealthCare is a promise of entitlement... look where that has gotton us in the past 50 years...
There is a lot of things that I would like to say about this little bill that we have had passed on us. But the first is when is the government going to go ahead and pass out the sickle’s and hammers? I mean before you know it with the debt and the collapse of the economy that some of you are waiting for we are going to end up like that Russians after the cold war. We are going to be standing in lines for hours for our "Government" to give us our rations of food and toilet paper; all the while they are not affected by it because the rules don't pertain to them. Anyway enough of that, there is a law that is voted on every year by congress called a doctor kickback. Medicare or "Government Ran" healthcare pays 78% of the medical bill that is acquired by and individual that is in the hospital, the other 22% is paid back to the doctor by this kickback. Now with the new health care bill that we have in the 6 years that we are going to have the coverage in the 10 years that we are taxed for it, the 22% is going to add up to 30 billion dollars which is an estimate because we can't really get an idea of what or how many people are actually going to be in the hospital this is an estimate coming off of past years expenses. After the 10 years and everything is even the tax's that everyone isn't going to be taxed to pay for this bill and the healthcare it self is supposed to be sufficient enough to cover all of this. But the next ten years of the bill will end up costing our "Government" or us little Tax payers 7 trillion! Now do you honestly think that this bill is the right way to go for our economy? I mean we have so many people out of work right now that even with the Government health care wouldn't be able to afford it. So now with the fines that they are going to put on us for not having it $700 for single people, and $2000 for families do you think that it is really affordable.
I already am a part of Government health care as I am in the military. Yes it is free, but like I always tell people free healthcare isn't always the best healthcare. I am 27 years old and have just had Back surgery. Now this pain has been going on for about 6 years. I went to my "free" medical and told them that I have back pain. They tell me that it is all muscles and give me muscle relaxers for the next 5 years. So then finally after going to the doctor for the same problem for 5 years they finally take me serious and find out that I have a ruptured disk. So then I wait for another year in pain after that to get all my referrals and everything from my health care provider to have my surgery. So take it from me Government ran is not the way that this country needs to go.
Don't get me wrong there are a lot of things that this country can do to help with healthcare. I love how it was explained that it used to be localized and honestly we should go back to that. It was a great way to get people that really needed healthcare the care they needed. And some of the things that the new health bill has are good, but they are far and in between. Where is the line drawn? When are we going to wake up and take our country back? Rome is burning people, are we just going to sit by and watch it happen or are we going to send a message that enough is enough.
I already am a part of Government health care as I am in the military. Yes it is free, but like I always tell people free healthcare isn't always the best healthcare. I am 27 years old and have just had Back surgery. Now this pain has been going on for about 6 years. I went to my "free" medical and told them that I have back pain. They tell me that it is all muscles and give me muscle relaxers for the next 5 years. So then finally after going to the doctor for the same problem for 5 years they finally take me serious and find out that I have a ruptured disk. So then I wait for another year in pain after that to get all my referrals and everything from my health care provider to have my surgery. So take it from me Government ran is not the way that this country needs to go.
Don't get me wrong there are a lot of things that this country can do to help with healthcare. I love how it was explained that it used to be localized and honestly we should go back to that. It was a great way to get people that really needed healthcare the care they needed. And some of the things that the new health bill has are good, but they are far and in between. Where is the line drawn? When are we going to wake up and take our country back? Rome is burning people, are we just going to sit by and watch it happen or are we going to send a message that enough is enough.
Panther20,
I am x military also. We took an oath to defend the constitution against ALL enemies foreign and DOMESTIC. Are we supposed to step up now and take care of this government that has flushed that consitution down the toilet?
I noticed that they made no changes to our VA benefits, guess they figured it was so screwed up already why mess with it.
Andy
I am x military also. We took an oath to defend the constitution against ALL enemies foreign and DOMESTIC. Are we supposed to step up now and take care of this government that has flushed that consitution down the toilet?
I noticed that they made no changes to our VA benefits, guess they figured it was so screwed up already why mess with it.
Andy
First of all, excellent Crockett story. Don't get me wrong, I believe without a doubt that charitable organizations taking care of low income would be by far the best solution for everyone gaining access to health care. The problem I see though is that with the number of people in poverty it is unrealistic for charity to take care of everyone who needs their assistance with the amount many people are unwilling to give.
Just as a side note, I have found all of ya'lls post very informative and arguements sound. It's good to know that there's a place on the web to argue issues without personal attacks being made. You go to some forums and the attacks being made by both sides are ridiculous. I think that's what makes this site and six-man football the best in Texas.
Just as a side note, I have found all of ya'lls post very informative and arguements sound. It's good to know that there's a place on the web to argue issues without personal attacks being made. You go to some forums and the attacks being made by both sides are ridiculous. I think that's what makes this site and six-man football the best in Texas.
Yes I do believe that through out my travels in the military that TEXAS is the best state in these here United States! And yes I do believe that we should rise up against the oppression that we are certainly in for under this regime. I still to this day believe in the saying "The south will rise again!" I mean the governor has already threatened with a recession, and I do honestly believe that if we went then there would be many, many states that would back us and leave as well. And if that did happen the my first loyalty would be to Texas and under that if you are a state resident and was before you joined the military than your contract with the U.S. military would be void and you would have the choice to go home and serve your State, Well we would be our own country! LOL, like we were in the beginning. And I love how we can come on here and have a free base of speech like it should have been and should always be. But people on this forum understand what is going on and are educated to read between the lines and we are the ones that all of this is going to hurt the most, us middle class Americans that bare the burden of this country on our backs for the rights of the people...Viva La TEXAS! HaHaHa
Oh and yes VA is so screwed that it is beyond fixing. With the Back surgery that I just had it could take me up to a year to see any of my disability benifits from that when I do get out but thank GOD that they let me stay in after it. I mean you have to come up with a solution to the problem instead of just throwing more money at it.
freeagent
Six-man pro
BE":z6ps62nk said:
Speaking of buying votes, I remember an interview with the retired postmaster of San Antonio when Cano's books on LBJ were released. Cano spoke of how LBJ would pay $5 to Mexicans on San Antonio's west side for votes (back in the 30's/40's). The postmaster, a friend of LBJ's, disputed the claim ... saying that LBJ was too cheap to spend more than a buck for a Mexican's vote.
I grow tired of people saying the only reason that most people oppose obama is because he's black, most people are smart enough to know that he's just a commy. I hope I don't have to get involved in the political process to save this country, but if it continues on the current path I'm afraid I might have to pick up a gun myself. I just hope the mooochers are smart enough to vote a decent person into office that will do us all right.
We had eight years of Bush and Cheney, but now you get mad? You didn't get mad when the Supreme Court stopped a legal recount and appointed a President.
You didn't get mad when Cheney allowed Energy company officials to dictate energy policy.
You didn't get mad when a covert CIA operative got outed.
You didn't get mad when the Patriot Act got passed..
You didn't get mad when we illegally invaded a country that posed no threat to us.
You didn't get mad when we spent $1 trillion on said illegal war.
You didn't get mad when over $10 billion dollars (in hard cash) just disappeared" in Iraq .
You didn't get mad when you found out we were torturing people.
You didn't get mad when the government was illegally wiretapping Americans.
You didn't get mad when they didn't catch Bin Laden.
You didn't get mad when you saw the horrible conditions at Walter Reed hospital.
You didn't get mad when they let a major US city drown.
You didn't get mad when they gave a $1.6 trillion in tax breaks to the rich.
You didn't get mad when, using reconciliation; a trillion dollars of our tax dollars were redirected to insurance companies for Medicare Advantage -- which cost more than 20% more for the same services that Medicare provides.
You didn't get mad when the deficit hit the trillion dollar mark, and our debt hit the thirteen trillion dollar mark.
No, but you did get mad when the government decided that people in America deserved the right to see a doctor if they are sick. Yes, illegal wars, lies, corruption, torture, stealing your tax dollars to make the rich richer, are all okay with you, but helping other Americans...
You didn't get mad when Cheney allowed Energy company officials to dictate energy policy.
You didn't get mad when a covert CIA operative got outed.
You didn't get mad when the Patriot Act got passed..
You didn't get mad when we illegally invaded a country that posed no threat to us.
You didn't get mad when we spent $1 trillion on said illegal war.
You didn't get mad when over $10 billion dollars (in hard cash) just disappeared" in Iraq .
You didn't get mad when you found out we were torturing people.
You didn't get mad when the government was illegally wiretapping Americans.
You didn't get mad when they didn't catch Bin Laden.
You didn't get mad when you saw the horrible conditions at Walter Reed hospital.
You didn't get mad when they let a major US city drown.
You didn't get mad when they gave a $1.6 trillion in tax breaks to the rich.
You didn't get mad when, using reconciliation; a trillion dollars of our tax dollars were redirected to insurance companies for Medicare Advantage -- which cost more than 20% more for the same services that Medicare provides.
You didn't get mad when the deficit hit the trillion dollar mark, and our debt hit the thirteen trillion dollar mark.
No, but you did get mad when the government decided that people in America deserved the right to see a doctor if they are sick. Yes, illegal wars, lies, corruption, torture, stealing your tax dollars to make the rich richer, are all okay with you, but helping other Americans...
Old Bearkat
Six-man expert
box_out":17atdv3o said:
I got really mad at the Bush administration and the Republican controlled congress for the out of control spending they did in the 6 years we had both, and even madder at Bush for going along with even more spending when the dimmocraps took control of Congress in 2006. And no, it was not the tax cuts that caused the deficets, it was too much spending.
You libs just will not give up on that issue will you, even though you have been proven wrong several times. You are really pissed off because you got caught trying to cheat and your media buddies could not cover it up like they had before. The Florida Supreme Court (mostly appointed by a lib democrap governor) tried to circumvent Florida election law and the US Supreme court said they could not. If you had any PROOF that the SCOTUS gave the election to Bush unfairly, you might have a case, but you do not, so you continue to whine about it. Give it up. all you are doing is irritating the rest of us.
No I did not because all the Energy Task Force did was advise on what they thought energy policy should be. One thing you libs have to face is that the true experts on techincal issues are in private industry, not the government. He did the right thing and consulted the best experts in the field.
Another laugher. At the time it came out, she was no more a covert agent than I am. She had been in Eurpoe at one time, but was posted back to the US and had a job in Langley HQ for over 9 years. It was well known on the DC party circuit that she worked for the CIA. She braggd about her background.
No I did not. I was a little uneasy that a future administration less scrupulous than Bush might abuse it. BTW...how much of it has you messaih and his minions in Congress repealed????Cloture proof majority???
Congress approved it, therefore it was not illegal.
Wars are expensive and I was disturbed at the spending.
Not too much, but I am incensed that over $1 trillion in 'stimulus" and almost $1 trillion in TARP has disappeared since March 2009
Nope, it could not have happened to a nicer trio of terrorists. The rest were tortured with good food and medical care.
How was it illegal??? it was authorized by the Patriot Act, and also it was ONLY phone conversations between Americans and known terror sponsoring nations
Has your messiah ever come close to catching him?? BTW...I would have preferred that they had killed him. You have no idea of the "fog of war". Google the phrase.
The crappy conditions at Walter Reed and especially the VA system have been around for years. Much longer than the Bush admin. Both are a perfect example of government run health care for everyone but the elites.
Now you are being really stupid. There is not a thing the Bush administration could have done to keep New Orleans from flooding, unless you are a believer in the Rove Weather machine. New Orleans is a perfect example of democratic party mismanagement of our cities. The dims have ruled there for over 180 years. THEY are responsible for the flooding. Who spent levee maintainence and expansion funds for casinos? Who refused federal evacuation help? Who refused to do a damn thing for themselves?
The poor do not pay income taxes. In fact, no one with a gross income of $40k or less pays income taxes. These were across the board tax cuts, and it is unavoidable that thos who pay most of the taxes will benefit more when taxes are cut. Why don't you unlearn the crappy economics you have been taught?
Yeah right. I get mad every time we get more government run health care crap. We are pissed about using reconciliation to pass a 2400 page bill that very few of the congresscritters have read and contains many gotchas we do not even know about yet.
Wanna bet? it just was not reported, but the polling on Bush and congress bears out the very real anger over the debt
See my other comment about the VA system, etc. Your whining is really getting irritating. What has pissed off a majority of Americans is the arrogance and contempt 0bama, Pelosi, Emmanuel, and Reid have shown us for our objections to everything they have done.
:shock: Woooooooo! I haven't watched a butt kicking of such magnitude since the Palin-Biden debate. My mama use to spank us boys like that when we played too rough with the little girls next door. 
Old Bearkat, the reborn Sons of Liberty, aka National Tea Party is looking for a few backboned americans to run for political office this fall... Who knows, today the congress, tomorrow the White House. :shock:
You make me proud! 'bout time someone told them 1972 Olympic basketball cheating, gold-medal thieving, commie admiring, global warming/oh now its global cooling, spread-the-wealthing,1960s progressive partying hippies we taint gonna sit back and take it any longer! :mrgreen:
ibetthatboygotasoretailend.
Old Bearkat, the reborn Sons of Liberty, aka National Tea Party is looking for a few backboned americans to run for political office this fall... Who knows, today the congress, tomorrow the White House. :shock:
You make me proud! 'bout time someone told them 1972 Olympic basketball cheating, gold-medal thieving, commie admiring, global warming/oh now its global cooling, spread-the-wealthing,1960s progressive partying hippies we taint gonna sit back and take it any longer! :mrgreen:
ibetthatboygotasoretailend.
I love it. The big question is who is going to stand up if and when the time comes to really tell the government they have gone to far?
Here is a little light readign when you have a moment:
http://www.eutimes.net/2010/03/obamacar ... 00-a-year/
http://www.eutimes.net/2010/03/world-mo ... n-america/
It is really embarassing if you look around the world and see everyone laughing at us. I talked for a couple of hours to a person from England today. He said that people think we Americans are stupid. We are all just sitting here letting Obama do what he wants to do. Dictator Obama? Sound good to anyone? Of course us here in Texas do not need to really worry, as soon as he bans guns we will go back to being our own country.
Time to step up people, you ready?
Andy
PS I know when he totally takes over the USA that things like I have said here can and will be used against us.
Here is a little light readign when you have a moment:
http://www.eutimes.net/2010/03/obamacar ... 00-a-year/
http://www.eutimes.net/2010/03/world-mo ... n-america/
It is really embarassing if you look around the world and see everyone laughing at us. I talked for a couple of hours to a person from England today. He said that people think we Americans are stupid. We are all just sitting here letting Obama do what he wants to do. Dictator Obama? Sound good to anyone? Of course us here in Texas do not need to really worry, as soon as he bans guns we will go back to being our own country.
Time to step up people, you ready?
Andy
PS I know when he totally takes over the USA that things like I have said here can and will be used against us.
I'm glad to see that someone has finally said IT. The government has become tyrannical and overstepped its bounds. I believe that somewhere one of our forefathers said "that the rights of the majority should never overstep those of the minority." Learned that in history class back when things like "common sense" and the "declaration of independence" and the "U.S. Constitiution" were required readings.
The government is making healthcare one of the "natural rights" this country is founded on. Too many of these commi-liberal-socialist think that "We" that are not to lazy or drunk or stoned to get out of bed come to work and pay our own way should have to pay for those who do not.
I find it interesting that Bearkat brings up the county hospital thing... but didnt really say the 100% true reason for their bankruptcy. Yes it was government mandates.... but it was one specific mandate that brought that crashing down.... the mandate that said that any and all people that walk into a hospital must be treated. So any person who is walking the streets can go in and get medical attention.
So the alcoholics, drug addicts, illegal aliens and others who do not have health insurance then took themselves and their children who are numerous as a general rule to the emergency room instead of to the local clinic.
Anybody who doesnt believe this should go to their local emergency room and just sit for a few hours... most of the people who come thru there will have no emergency... the cold/flu, ear ache, toothache etc
Any time these people have a sniffle it cost the taxpayer $1000 plus dollars because they will not go to a clinic and pay for the services they recieve.
I would say that nobody's children should have to pay for their parents mistakes, but the parents should have to pay for their own
The government is making healthcare one of the "natural rights" this country is founded on. Too many of these commi-liberal-socialist think that "We" that are not to lazy or drunk or stoned to get out of bed come to work and pay our own way should have to pay for those who do not.
I find it interesting that Bearkat brings up the county hospital thing... but didnt really say the 100% true reason for their bankruptcy. Yes it was government mandates.... but it was one specific mandate that brought that crashing down.... the mandate that said that any and all people that walk into a hospital must be treated. So any person who is walking the streets can go in and get medical attention.
So the alcoholics, drug addicts, illegal aliens and others who do not have health insurance then took themselves and their children who are numerous as a general rule to the emergency room instead of to the local clinic.
Anybody who doesnt believe this should go to their local emergency room and just sit for a few hours... most of the people who come thru there will have no emergency... the cold/flu, ear ache, toothache etc
Any time these people have a sniffle it cost the taxpayer $1000 plus dollars because they will not go to a clinic and pay for the services they recieve.
I would say that nobody's children should have to pay for their parents mistakes, but the parents should have to pay for their own