What steps would it take to make 1A football more competitive?

myboyblue43

11-man fan
Would it be to crack down harder on transfers?

More of an emphasis on 6 Man coaching development?

Basketball only schools picking up 6 Man football?

Adding 8 Man back for D1 teams with less speed and more size?


What could realistically be done in order to reduce the giant gap that has seemed to have appeared in the 1A football ranks?

Obviously Gordon is an extreme exception in terms of athletes, but is it just me or have the past half a decade been extremely to predictable?
 
Its happening in all classes to some degree. Its very evident in places like Fort Worth where the talent is recruited or attracted out to the "powerhouse" programs in the suburbs. Its more visible in 1A because you have less to pick from, sometimes barely enough. Its not coaching levels or X's and O's its literally the "Jimmy's and Joe's". The divisional split in 1A shines a glaring light on just how weak things get after the top 10 or 15 best teams in all of 1A. In six-man, if you have talent, even just one standout, you can do very well. I think its always been like this, except now when you have talent, the training, programs, diet, education, etc etc can propel a program into high caliber levels leaving everyone else in the dust. Outside of us here on this board, six-man is generally not respected out there, mostly out of ignorance but also do to the crazy lopsided scores people see and probably some of the "sandlot" things that happen in games out of desperation. There has been some press that has helped to change some opinions in more recent years a little, but you aren't going to naturally attract more talent to the sport from larger towns unless your program is established, your town is close enough to commute, there is a family connection, or your town has other qualities (businesses or recreation) that attract new blood.

Gordon is almost always good because they have the built in blood lines, a tradition and a top level program, and their proximity to DFW attracts people wanting to live in the country but still get to a city in a reasonable timeframe. Same could be said for places like Milford, Strawn, Abbott, and Jonesboro to some degree. What is going on in Gordon right now is lightening in a bottle, the likes of which 1A has never seen and they have generated an enormous amount of positive press and publicity for the sport. Despite the dominance, they have helped the sport of six-man football in a major way these couple of years.

Back to the 2 divisions... As it has been, 2 divisions has been bad for six-man in the press. The sport gets more press during the playoffs so the spotlight is there. However, the scores are a joke. I haven't done the math, but it feels like 90% or more have ended early and this does nothing for the sport's popularity. I believe 1A would benefit from a poll based playoff, much like college football. Lets get the best in the spotlight and get after it! You either do this or go back to 1 division and take the district winners and maybe 2 top at large teams from each region. I know it sounds crazy, but if we really want to help the gap this could help. Maybe, if six-man gains more respect as "real football" you could see more families (with football talent) moving to the sticks to immerse their kids in the small school environment. If they have college aspirations, maybe places like Gordon have kicked open some visibility that might not have been there a few years ago.
 
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1. Require all school boards and administrators to be interested in all sports in general, football in particular.
(and hire and pay accordingly)
2. Put the top cap at 75 enrollment. Any school larger than that can play something else.
3. Figure out new nomenclature for winners and losers? W’s and L’s? Ran and Also Ran?
4. Destroy all scoreboards?
 
With the increased amount of workout time (Summer drills, etc) the better programs that don't get new coaches every year just keep rolling and getting better while the others fall further behind.
 
Instead of using enrollment to determine classification, use your previous year's record. You can still have districts, you can still win your district, (or not), but the playoff bracket you land in, is determined by how well you did in the past.

There are flaws to this, primarily around aligning brackets to locations (I'd build brackets based on geography, not sure how to seed teams), but that would help with travel... you don't want a panhandle team playing an East Texas team in the first couple of rounds.

One obvious flaw to this is that it shines a bigger light on, and even magnifies, the division and disparity... but, you you asked for ideas, so here's mine. :)
 
One other thing I'd point out... this phenomenon of blowout games isn't exclusive to just six man (although it's just as, if not larger a problem than in 11-man, for sure.)

I track all playoff scores for all games in all divisions (since 2022 or 2023) for other purposes related to officiating and here's the data I have for this year through three weeks... I have not tried to aggregate all the data I have to combine all years (yet) to see trends over time.
 

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Make 1A division 1 play 8-man and division 2 play 6 man. The games are similar enough that you could play either in a cross division match up.
I do think 8 Man coming back for larger sixman schools and smaller 11 man schools would help a lot personally. There are so many 6 Man schools I have seen that have a lot of strength, size, and power in other sports but can't compete speed wise. 8 Man having more down linemen would help drastically with participation numbers at these schools and overall competitiveness.
 
Would it be to crack down harder on transfers?

More of an emphasis on 6 Man coaching development?

Basketball only schools picking up 6 Man football?

Adding 8 Man back for D1 teams with less speed and more size?


What could realistically be done in order to reduce the giant gap that has seemed to have appeared in the 1A football ranks?

Obviously Gordon is an extreme exception in terms of athletes, but is it just me or have the past half a decade been extremely to predictable?
How would you crack down on transfers? It appears that those schools sneaky enough to do it, do it so routinely that it seems normal now. They bring in the families early, like in the 8th grade early. Lol. Most of the time the UIL looks or rules the other direction but occasionally they give a school some grief over recruiting. 6 Man coaching development is a good question. Don't have an answer on that one. Good luck on the Basketball only schools picking up 6 man football. Their system of running their school is already ingrained in the community similar to the schools that consistently recruit. Besides, those basketball schools would not tolerate having several losing seasons in football. Instant gratification is a big factor! 8 Man football in a dead duck in Texas. Oklahoma is the place to be for 8 Man. I don't see how starting up 8 Man could possibly help 6 Man football be more competitive. Changing the districts to eight or nine teams and letting the top four advance to the playoffs would help competition in the long run. Why? Because the weaker teams would play the same district teams often enough to realize that they can indeed compete with the teams with winning records. Yes, it might take 5 or 6 years for the process to work, but it definitely would lead to more competitive games district wide over time. It would also eliminate the need to schedule so many private or non UIL teams. Maybe fewer forfeits and game cancellations. Gordon has been a special case the last three years. All their athletic achievements are hard earned and well deserved. After this calendar year maybe the rest of the 6-man world will be more competitive with them. Time will tell.
 
Its happening in all classes to some degree. Its very evident in places like Fort Worth where the talent is recruited or attracted out to the "powerhouse" programs in the suburbs. Its more visible in 1A because you have less to pick from, sometimes barely enough. Its not coaching levels or X's and O's its literally the "Jimmy's and Joe's". The divisional split in 1A shines a glaring light on just how weak things get after the top 10 or 15 best teams in all of 1A. In six-man, if you have talent, even just one standout, you can do very well. I think its always been like this, except now when you have talent, the training, programs, diet, education, etc etc can propel a program into high caliber levels leaving everyone else in the dust. Outside of us here on this board, six-man is generally not respected out there, mostly out of ignorance but also do to the crazy lopsided scores people see and probably some of the "sandlot" things that happen in games out of desperation. There has been some press that has helped to change some opinions in more recent years a little, but you aren't going to naturally attract more talent to the sport from larger towns unless your program is established, your town is close enough to commute, there is a family connection, or your town has other qualities (businesses or recreation) that attract new blood.

Gordon is almost always good because they have the built in blood lines, a tradition and a top level program, and their proximity to DFW attracts people wanting to live in the country but still get to a city in a reasonable timeframe. Same could be said for places like Milford, Strawn, Abbott, and Jonesboro to some degree. What is going on in Gordon right now is lightening in a bottle, the likes of which 1A has never seen and they have generated an enormous amount of positive press and publicity for the sport. Despite the dominance, they have helped the sport of six-man football in a major way these couple of years.

Back to the 2 divisions... As it has been, 2 divisions has been bad for six-man in the press. The sport gets more press during the playoffs so the spotlight is there. However, the scores are a joke. I haven't done the math, but it feels like 90% or more have ended early and this does nothing for the sport's popularity. I believe 1A would benefit from a poll based playoff, much like college football. Lets get the best in the spotlight and get after it! You either do this or go back to 1 division and take the district winners and maybe 2 top at large teams from each region. I know it sounds crazy, but if we really want to help the gap this could help. Maybe, if six-man gains more respect as "real football" you could see more families (with football talent) moving to the sticks to immerse their kids in the small school environment. If they have college aspirations, maybe places like Gordon have kicked open some visibility that might not have been there a few years ago.
I don't think any at large or poll based system would help. It would just reinforce the current standing in 6 Man football.

I think UIL leaving divisions behind and going to 10 Classifications would be the best solution. There are 1400 schools in UIL athletics.
Have 1A capped at around 70ish to 75 and be 6-Man Football. Have 2A 76-130ish for 8 Man. That way the opting up to 11 Man doesn't dilute 6 Man even more than it already is.
Most 8 Man systems in every other state are just 11 Man football with 3 less players so I don't think teams near the 75 person cutoff would opt up to it as commonly as the schools that are near the 105 cutoff. Due to most of those schools having always played 6 Man.
 
How would you crack down on transfers? It appears that those schools sneaky enough to do it, do it so routinely that it seems normal now. They bring in the families early, like in the 8th grade early. Lol. Most of the time the UIL looks or rules the other direction but occasionally they give a school some grief over recruiting. 6 Man coaching development is a good question. Don't have an answer on that one. Good luck on the Basketball only schools picking up 6 man football. Their system of running their school is already ingrained in the community similar to the schools that consistently recruit. Besides, those basketball schools would not tolerate having several losing seasons in football. Instant gratification is a big factor! 8 Man football in a dead duck in Texas. Oklahoma is the place to be for 8 Man. I don't see how starting up 8 Man could possibly help 6 Man football be more competitive. Changing the districts to eight or nine teams and letting the top four advance to the playoffs would help competition in the long run. Why? Because the weaker teams would play the same district teams often enough to realize that they can indeed compete with the teams with winning records. Yes, it might take 5 or 6 years for the process to work, but it definitely would lead to more competitive games district wide over time. It would also eliminate the need to schedule so many private or non UIL teams. Maybe fewer forfeits and game cancellations. Gordon has been a special case the last three years. All their athletic achievements are hard earned and well deserved. After this calendar year maybe the rest of the 6-man world will be more competitive with them. Time will tell.
I do think the UIL would have to step in on the basketball only schools so I know that one is pretty unrealistic. Even though I think most of those schools would be just fine and competitive in 6 Man football as apposed to 11 man.

I am aware 8 Man died in Texas, but I think a lot of schools would now would take 8 Man over getting blown out in 6 Man every year. West Texas Schools would be able to schedule non district games against New Mexico. Panhandle and North Texas schools could play Oklahoma schools or Kansas Schools in the Panhandle's case. I think 8 Man would help transition these 11 Man schools dropping enrollment so quickly into 6 Man a lot better then going straight from 11 man to 6 man.

Recruiting can be cracked down on. UIL has proven that they can crack down on it. It needs to be more consistent.

We also need coaches in districts across the state to stop agreeing to not report each other about recruiting(District 11-6A cough cough).

We can all agree that the 2 division and 70ish schools each is not healthy for 6 Man.

Heck I am a fan of a 4A Division 2 team and only having 93 schools has hurt that division massively in competitive balance.
 
If a school does not want to play football, why make them? Cost alone for a field and stadium now would be a major obstacle for most small rural schools. Forcing people to do something they dont want to do isnt really a good solution to anything.

8man will not come back, there was a very small push a few years ago by 1A schools refusing to play 6man to maybe get 8man back and it died a quick death. Of the 100+ 6man coaches (and schools) probably less than 20 would want to do that. I have said this before and some maybe new and not aware of it...The main reason Texas chose 6man over 8man is because the purpose of having an alternative to 11man is so small schools that struggle with numbers (or participation) would have a style of football to play and 6man is better for that by the simple fact it requires less players to field a team...it was better for schools who had around 20 players to develop and play other players and some to possibly even have a JV, where they wouldnt in 8man. It was the better option and still is. The coaches' association knows this and I seriously doubt they would ever want 8man back.

Competition has always had a wide disparity at the smallest sports level, that will never change. As we all know schools go through cycles of having athletic kids or enough kids to be competitive. It was true in 1938 Texas 6man as it is true today, and it was true in 8man when we had it.

Also what competition are you talking about? Simply from top to bottom all season or is this a reflection of playoff game scores? If the wide divide in playoff game scores, especially the state games, is the catalyst for this topic then the solution would be get rid of the division split, that would create much better playoff matchups mainly in the State games. However, that would not help many of the small schools compete at the district level really....also worth adding is getting rid of the two divisions will not happen either.

In short the only real way is for school districts who want to be better or do better is to develop their kids by hiring coaches that are best for them to do that...and the towns to address their own factors that contribute to whatever their issue(s) are...be it an aging population with less and less kids, or a declining population with less and less people (thus less kids). Social and economic issues in rural towns are more to the issue for some. As an example I will use Novice who is no longer a school...they would always have a talented player or two...but only had 6-8 players...and even Harley Ethridge coached there once upon a time...and they were rarely competitive...division splits, 8man, hiring coaches...none of that would fix that.
 
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Getting coaching and administration that are bought in and support the program are a big step
In the right direction. Take a look at a few of the programs that recently had new coaches come in that have had success and those programs start winning sooner than later. I have had conversations with a couple of coaches who literally had zero experience and took the job as a first year coach. These guys never played six man and came out of college trying to coach it. It’s hard to overcome this lack of experience.
 
At this point. 8man should be brought back.
Again maybe 20 out of 100 schools want that, dont believe me then poll the D11A schools and coaches and ask the association leaders like I did a few years back...only the 1As playing 11man which was about (10-12 schools) wanted that and not many 6man coaches and even less school admins...now some of those 11man holdons are now in 6man so I would assume some of those coaches would want it but again you are talking about maybe 20...80%+ DO NOT WANT 8MAN... and it would not solve the real problem(s)...and it is not going to happen...it does not solve anything bc the disparity will still be there as it always has been even when there was 8man. Thinking 8man would solve the real issue is a fantasy
 
Again maybe 20 out of 100 schools want that, dont believe me then poll the D11A schools and coaches and ask the association leaders like I did a few years back...only the 1As playing 11man which was about (10-12 schools) wanted that and not many 6man coaches and even less school admins...now some of those 11man holdons are now in 6man so I would assume some of those coaches would want it but again you are talking about maybe 20...80%+ DO NOT WANT 8MAN... and it would not solve the real problem(s)...and it is not going to happen...it does not solve anything bc the disparity will still be there as it always has been even when there was 8man. Thinking 8man would solve the real issue is a fantasy
In your honest opinion, what would make 6man great again? Like playoffs being competitive especially the championship. Seems like the division split made it worse. Ive always liked the idea of only 1 division in 6man. 8 team districts. But... then there are those who complain about it not being fair.
 
In your honest opinion, what would make 6man great again? Like playoffs being competitive especially the championship. Seems like the division split made it worse. Ive always liked the idea of only 1 division in 6man. 8 team districts. But... then there are those who complain about it not being fair.
One division with 8 team districts could potentially make the playoffs more competitive, but I think you would run into an issue in district play where you would have some blowouts like early playoff games tend to be. You would have some pretty small D2 teams playing some D1 powerhouses in district. Not that I necessarily disagree with that model, but I don’t think it solves the real issue. Distance would be an issue in the East, not so much in the West
 
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