Onside kick question

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Team A is kicking an onside kick. The ball rolls about 10 yards and might make it to 15. team a runs down field and hits a player at the 11 yard line which is the first player he sees. Official saids team a has to give team b a chance to field the ball? If the ball is in the air I understand but this is rolling on the ground...
 
The kicking team may not initiate a block until they are eligible to touch the kick. So if it hasn't gone 15 yards and the receiving team hasn't touched the ball, the kicking team cannot hit the receiving team. Rule 6-1-12.
 
There is no difference in the rule book for onside vs. "regular" kick offs. The rules are the exact same. And it doesn't matter if the receiving team crosses the line or not, if Team A is not eligible to touch the kick, they cannot initiate a block with the receiving team. Here is the direct quote from the rule book, as I referenced rule 6-1-12 states: "No Team A player may block an opponent until Team A is eligible to touch a free-kicked ball."
 
Yes. The only restriction is that they cannot contact the kicker until the ball has touched a player, official or the ground, or he has advanced five yards from his restraining line.
 
how is that legal that team A cannot hit team B before the ball has went 15 yards. I think there is more to it than that. I teach my players that if team B comes at you, you better be ready to hit. But the way you describe it is that team a has to take it if team b comes at them. I think there is more to the rule about team B coming across the 15 yards to come block.
 
I hate this rule. A team A player is free game to be blown up but then can't return the favor. In an era of player safety I would love for somebody to explain where the player safety is in this rule?
 
I've got a better one for you to think about. The rule book went to all the effort to define a " defenseless player" so why is he defenseless if he is only hit in the head and neck area? Kind of like saying purse snatching is legal if granny is over 90.
 
Cline":337wutg6 said:
I hate this rule. A team A player is free game to be blown up but then can't return the favor. In an era of player safety I would love for somebody to explain where the player safety is in this rule?
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Who is gonna blow him up? Certainly not one of the 3 team b players who was standing still when the ball was kicked. How about one of the 2 that are behind the front 3? Oh yeah, going for the ball. The deep guy? If he gets there and blows someone up before the ball goes 15, let me know, I wanna make it a point to come watch that stud. I think its a great rule, would be better if it were properly enforced.

In fact, if you have ANY film of ANY team a player getting blown up on an onside kick, I would really love to see it.
 
Hornkeeper you very well may be right. I may not have any film showing a team a player being blown up. Still doesn't make the rule right in my eyes. The player is defenseless. And on top of that the player is doing what he can to recover the ball (the purpose of the onside) and he probably isn't thinking about where the blockers are coming from. This to me makes him completely defenseless. Again no player safety and a subjective rule to boot. Tough for the officials and tough on the kids.
 
But if he is doing what he can to recover the ball, that means the ball has travelled 15 and therefore he can hit. We are talking about before the ball goes 15.
The purpose of the rule is to prevent the team A (moving at full speed) from blowing up a team B (just started moving or moving sideways or standing still) because of a slow roller that hasn't made it there yet. While the guy comes in behind the wrecking crew and falls on the ball as it crosses the line.
If team B is somehow blowing up your team A guys instead of going for the ball, guess what, congrats you probably just successfully executed an onside kick.

I'm not a coach, but if I were, and anyone on my receiving team were too busy just trying to take out someone instead of going for the ball, he wouldn't be in there for a second one.
 
Cline":zziw4fsr said:
Hornkeeper you very well may be right. I may not have any film showing a team a player being blown up. Still doesn't make the rule right in my eyes. The player is defenseless. And on top of that the player is doing what he can to recover the ball (the purpose of the onside) and he probably isn't thinking about where the blockers are coming from. This to me makes him completely defenseless. Again no player safety and a subjective rule to boot. Tough for the officials and tough on the kids.
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Says the guy who works at the school with the best and most "dangerous" onside kick in all of sixman football.
 
Let's look at this in another direction.
Say this rule doesn't exist.
Here is how i would recommend all kickoffs go.

1. Teach a kid to kick the ball so that goes 15 to 17 yards as slow as possible. Spend a lot of time on this in practice because getting the ball back almost every time would be a huge advantage.
2. Get your fastest 5 and have them coming at full speed from across the field as you kick the ball.
3. Kick the ball between the two closest receivers, that will bring them together.
4. Have first 4 take out those two. Have your 5th guy take out the one guy on the 2nd row if he is stepping up.
5. Have kicker trot up to the ball well behind the mayhem to fall on the ball as it crosses the line.
6. Take a knee as the other team cares for and removes their injured.
7. Resume offense.
 
Okay, went back and watched the game film. Didnt happen twice but the same call was called twice. The other time it happen.

Team A was the recieving team. Team B was the kicking team. Team B kicks it 10 or 11 yards and Team As first player on the ball doesnt pick it up but blocks Team B so the person behind him from Team A can feild the ball.

Now, doest the same rules apply?

Team A recovered the ball about 11 yards and have a 5 yards added to them.
 
If you would like to see a video of why this rule is in effect watch the Knox City Brazos Bowl film from this year. In the first qtr blue team onsides roller to red team kicker is exceptionally fast aggressive athlete with a 15 yd running start . Team reds front middle man can't get to ball but moves to his left to protect whomever can. Still rolling and not going 15 yds yet the receiving team middle man sees he is about to be hit and plants while getting his head only partially turned back to take a viscious helmet to helmet by the kicker with a now 20-25 yd running start whom after the hit straddles the player screaming insults . The result kicking team is penalized and kicker is ejected till half finishes this game and competes in east west Lubbock game 2 weeks later . The receiving team player is escorted to ambulance not allowed to continue and is transported by parents to two ERs during night with diagnosis of concussion with neck injuries to nerves and upper rotator disc .....football is done didn't finish bowl game and gave up alternate position for Lubbock. Sound a lil bitter yeah I do I'm his father it was an unnecessary hit I know football is a contact sport in a legal setting with a legal hit I would have been fine except for the obvious taunting afterwards. You can ask Cowboy his opinion he was right there .
 

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