NFL Bounty System

[freeagent]

Okay, what do you folks think about the NFL's sanctions on the NO Saints over the bounty program ... league still has to deal with 22-27 players who participated in the system and it would be impractical to suspend all of them (some probably will get some sort of sanction) ...

Does put me in a bit of a bind ... I had Sean Payton coming to speak to our Clinic in June about motivating your defensive players, but I guess I'd better think of someone else ... <grin, grin>

By the way, we had a bounty system in place last year. All the coaches tossed money into the pot and we'd pay a buck for every decent block or tackle during the season.

At the end of the season, we checked the pot. All the money was still there.

Plus $4 in interest.

 

[oldfat&bald]

Since this subject came up, I have to ask. Are the helmet stickers that many schools give for good hits, leading rusher, leading tackler, etc., illegal, immoral and reprehensible too? Should every coach that gives them out be suspended?

 

[freeagent]

I just had to repost this ... for any of you that spend any time on theoldcoach.com (I sure liked it a lot more before rivals took over, but that's a discussion for another day), one of the "regulars" is a gentleman by the nom-de-plume of "Coach Willie Wonka." Coach Wonka is the defensive coordinator for one of our larger, un-named larger schools in the state, and these are his recollections of goings-on in the field house -- most of which happen at lunch time (which seems to run anytime from 8 am to 3 pm)..

Of course, at Coach's school, DEE-FANSE is king. Other activities (education, other sports) just get in the way of football and defense. The head coach, (aka "Coach") is a good-ol-boy old timey coach just like Coach Wonka. Neither has much respect for young coaches, basketball coaches (thump-thump directors), baseball coaches (stand-around directors), lady teachers (hens) or the like. Coach Wonka's defensive stars are Big O (Octavious) and Bronko, both in their eighth year of high school eligibility (obviously the coaches there have something on the UIL, who is leaving them alone). Enjoy!


hale naw!!

udder day we wars wartchin a cone drill video Coach got from north central south carolina technical state university at western columbus and sittin round eatin thangs like elk jerkey,,,pot o beans wit iron skillet cone bread,,,smashed taters wit cream gravy and bacon chunks,,,chicken fried chicken,,,fried sam bass,,,twice dipped chicken fry stake,,,greens (Big Os momma, Hazel brought them and thay wars tasty!),,,fresh sour doughs,,smoked yard bird,,fried taters,,,fried onions,,,peach clobber,,,and R-I-B-S!

when this piss ant young coach (disgusts me to say hes a coach i may add) come runnin in hollerin "DAY DONE SPENDED SHOWN PEYTON FER ON DAG-BLAST YEAR!!"

den dat idiot told us thar stankin defansive coach done got spended FO-EVER!!!!!
wart in stankin tarnation is goin on!?!! thay get in trouble cause day warnt thay playas hurtin udder folks?!?! HALE FIRE,,,warts football fo? its to hurt udder folks!

them dern foos in da stankin n.f. ale done startin to get soft and wart not,,,i mean how in stank you gonna tale them playas not to be aggressive?! try to tale dat crap to jack tatum,,,dat foo knock u silly,,,

dis young piss ignit slappy (i thank hes a dern aints fan) wars axin querstions like

"who in hale gonna sat up cone drills fo n dem saints playas?" and

"whose gonna tale dem dag blast gangstas to left waits?" and

"who in tarnation is gonna tale dem to run COVER 3!!!???"

no body makes dem bruthas back pedal faster dan shown payton!!

sides,,,wart in stank he gettin tossed fo any howls? bounties?! hale naw!! airy week we tale Octavious and Bronko to do do thangs like "git day quater-back" or "knock snot outta day seavers!!" then we do thangs like give em free 100s on them computers and wart not so day pass them classes

howl bout it gents!?! wart you boys thank bout all this no howls,,,and dont go givin no horse puck like them foos are hurtin peoples lively hoods,,and dis is just a game,,thats hog warsh! people dat thank like that probably coach hoops and have pictures of allan iverson on thar walls at home,,,lats hear them comments rollin today!! and no JUNIOR HI COACHES!!YALL SUCK!!! VAW-CITY COACHES ONLY!!

our motto,,,stand round directors are bouts as tough as band director!

 

[rainjacktx]

Since this subject came up, I have to ask. Are the helmet stickers that many schools give for good hits, leading rusher, leading tackler, etc., illegal, immoral and reprehensible too? Should every coach that gives them out be suspended?

That's pretty much what I've been saying. From the minute you step on the field in Pop Warner, til the last snap of the last game of your senior year - bounties in one form or another are part of the game. Pep rallies call out the players who gave the 'hit of the week' and the get to sign a football, or a sledge hammer, or an ax, or just stand up and take a round of applause.

I think all of this bs is the fault of one man: Roger Goodell. He is the Barrack Obama of professional team sports. I don't think he will rest until, like Barry with the economy, the NFL is a mere shadow of its former self.

The players hate him. The owners hate him. The league as a whole has suffered greatly because of him. Yet he still has a job.

 

[H&H]

I'm really surprised to see y'all justifying the action. I guess I imagine some kid being paid to deliberately take out my sons knees.....and for me, that's not okay. There's a difference between playing hard, wanting to get good hits, etc and going out there to hurt someone at any cost. Just my 2cents.

 

[rainjacktx]

I'm really surprised to see y'all justifying the action. I guess I imagine some kid being paid to deliberately take out my sons knees.....and for me, that's not okay. There's a difference between playing hard, wanting to get good hits, etc and going out there to hurt someone at any cost. Just my 2cents.

I don't think that's what Peyton did. How many season ending injuries did the Saint defense dish out?

I know for a fact that hitting a kid so hard that he has to sit on the sidelines is championed at all levels of football. It always has been. And don't even get me started on baseball and hockey. High slides, hitting batters, having a designated goon?

Peyton's mistake was lying about having a "program" for rewarding the exact same attitudes and actions that are as much a part of the game - at every level - as the actual football itself.

 

[Blue Bird]

It is hard to get around the fact that the better defensive player you are the higher a salary you can demand. That is a built in bounty to the whole professional system.

 

[rainjacktx]

It is hard to get around the fact that the better defensive player you are the higher a salary you can demand. That is a built in bounty to the whole professional system.

Evidently, suspending reality is part of Goodell's job description.

 

[cren22]

You have to realize the climate we're in today... people are suing over everything... studies are showing how severe the impacts of a long NFL career are on the brain.

This is about ensuing that the sport of football will continue to exist long into the future. It's not PC to pay for injuries or hard hits any more. Some the players injured playing against the Saints are considering lawsuits... a bunch of other retired players are suing the NFL saying they withheld info about concessions.

Deon Sanders was a highly played defensive player and he never tackled anybody... not all defensive players get paid for hits.

Don't get me wrong... I live near Baltimore, I love Baltimore Ravens defense. However, there is a right way to do it and a wrong way... if you watch the Ravens, they hit as hard as any team in the NFL, but they hit legally. The Steelers on the other hand, and James Harrison in particular, hit to injure, hit illegally, and hit to concuss.

The culture of the sport is changing... much like when Teddy Roosevelt himself said in the early 1900s that football either needed to get safer or he would ban it. The result was football became much more popular and more mainstream. I think that you will see that to an ever greater extent in the years to come... I mean, ESPN is broadcasting Pro Days live and in their entirety this offseason.

We don't want football to become boxing... a sport that was much more popular than football until the late 40s. Today boxing is considered too violent to attract major sponsors and is relegated to the status of niche sport.

Boxing did not adapt when they still had time to change... Goodell knows his history and is determined to make sure the NFL doesn't make the same mistakes.

 

[oldfat&bald]

FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY AND GOOD! THE RAINMAN IS AGREEING WITH ME ON SOMETHING?!? SOMEONE SEND SOMEBODY HERE TO LOBOTOMIZE ME. OR SHOOT ME.

 

[Dogface]

Seriously?
Can you guys not tell the difference
between an incidental injury
and an intentional one?
One occurs naturally in FB.
The other is planned.
DUH

 

[rainjacktx]

Boxing did not adapt when they still had time to change... Goodell knows his history and is determined to make sure the NFL doesn't make the same mistakes.

Boxing was wildly popular well into the 70's. If you are too young to remember the 1976 US Olympic boxing team, you should do some research. Even now the biggest PPV draws have PacMan fighting someone.

Professional Boxing was ruined by corruption. Namely by corrupt promoters like Don King. Amateur boxing was ruined because of too many rules in the name of safety. The NFL is not comparable with professional boxing in any category.

But I digress. You are right about one thing though - this is all a bunch of PC. However, it is PC bulls**t.

 

[oldfat&bald]

Seriously?
Can you guys not tell the difference
between an incidental injury
and an intentional one?
One occurs naturally in FB.
The other is planned.
DUH

How many players for the Saints were fined and suspended for illegal hits during this period? I'll bet there were several team's that had more.

 

[rainjacktx]

The ignorance of Goodell's PC crapfest will have a trickle down effect.

No more achievement stickers for defensive plays. No more "hit of the week" on the Friday Night game wrap ups. Coaches will eventually teach their defense to, "just get close, but avoid any contact".

Ultimately, football will change to the point where getting another players uniform dirty will result in a 3 game suspension.

 

[Old Bearkat]

I just had to repost this ... for any of you that spend any time on theoldcoach.com (I sure liked it a lot more before rivals took over, but that's a discussion for another day), one of the "regulars" is a gentleman by the nom-de-plume of "Coach Willie Wonka." Coach Wonka is the defensive coordinator for one of our larger, un-named larger schools in the state, and these are his recollections of goings-on in the field house -- most of which happen at lunch time (which seems to run anytime from 8 am to 3 pm)..

Of course, at Coach's school, DEE-FANSE is king. Other activities (education, other sports) just get in the way of football and defense. The head coach, (aka "Coach") is a good-ol-boy old timey coach just like Coach Wonka. Neither has much respect for young coaches, basketball coaches (thump-thump directors), baseball coaches (stand-around directors), lady teachers (hens) or the like. Coach Wonka's defensive stars are Big O (Octavious) and Bronko, both in their eighth year of high school eligibility (obviously the coaches there have something on the UIL, who is leaving them alone). Enjoy!


hale naw!!

udder day we wars wartchin a cone drill video Coach got from north central south carolina technical state university at western columbus and sittin round eatin thangs like elk jerkey,,,pot o beans wit iron skillet cone bread,,,smashed taters wit cream gravy and bacon chunks,,,chicken fried chicken,,,fried sam bass,,,twice dipped chicken fry stake,,,greens (Big Os momma, Hazel brought them and thay wars tasty!),,,fresh sour doughs,,smoked yard bird,,fried taters,,,fried onions,,,peach clobber,,,and R-I-B-S!

when this piss ant young coach (disgusts me to say hes a coach i may add) come runnin in hollerin "DAY DONE SPENDED SHOWN PEYTON FER ON DAG-BLAST YEAR!!"

den dat idiot told us thar stankin defansive coach done got spended FO-EVER!!!!!
wart in stankin tarnation is goin on!?!! thay get in trouble cause day warnt thay playas hurtin udder folks?!?! HALE FIRE,,,warts football fo? its to hurt udder folks!

them dern foos in da stankin n.f. ale done startin to get soft and wart not,,,i mean how in stank you gonna tale them playas not to be aggressive?! try to tale dat crap to jack tatum,,,dat foo knock u silly,,,

dis young piss ignit slappy (i thank hes a dern aints fan) wars axin querstions like

"who in hale gonna sat up cone drills fo n dem saints playas?" and

"whose gonna tale dem dag blast gangstas to left waits?" and

"who in tarnation is gonna tale dem to run COVER 3!!!???"

no body makes dem bruthas back pedal faster dan shown payton!!

sides,,,wart in stank he gettin tossed fo any howls? bounties?! hale naw!! airy week we tale Octavious and Bronko to do do thangs like "git day quater-back" or "knock snot outta day seavers!!" then we do thangs like give em free 100s on them computers and wart not so day pass them classes

howl bout it gents!?! wart you boys thank bout all this no howls,,,and dont go givin no horse puck like them foos are hurtin peoples lively hoods,,and dis is just a game,,thats hog warsh! people dat thank like that probably coach hoops and have pictures of allan iverson on thar walls at home,,,lats hear them comments rollin today!! and no JUNIOR HI COACHES!!YALL inhale!!! VAW-CITY COACHES ONLY!!

our motto,,,stand round directors are bouts as tough as band director!

Sounds like Goob is on there......

 

[freeagent]

Sounds like Goob is on there......

OBK ... this guy is a couple of steps above Goob ... if I was a vendor at coaching school, I'd sponsor a night at a comedy club and have this guy do a standup act ... it'd be the most profitable night in the history of comedy clubs. Trust me on this one.

 

[51eleven]

Wasn't their a flap about this same subject in the 80's with Buddy Ryan doing it with the Eagles aginst the Cowboy's in particular?

 

[sixmanfan2007]

On November 22, 1989 Ryan found himself at the center of yet another scandal, when Cowboys head coach Jimmy Johnson alleged Ryan had taken out a "bounty" on two Cowboys players—then-current Dallas (and former Philadelphia) placekicker Luis Zendejas and quarterback Troy Aikman[24]—in a game dubbed "Bounty Bowl" played on Thanksgiving Day at Texas Stadium.[25]