Top 5 Programs

[Homelander]

I just want some opinions who do y'all think are the top 5 programs in sixman for the past 24 years? I'll give my top 5 but in no particular order
1. Borden County
2. Richland Springs
3. Valley
4. Abbott
5. Strawn

 

[Texlonghorn75]

How did Valley sneak into your list? McLean might be a better choice with one championship and another game as runner up. Of course Westbrook with two championships recently which trumps Valley.

 

[TexasTiger]

May

 

[crawford]

Great topic

I would think BC, RS, Strawn are the easy top 3

Abbott I suppose is 4

5 is interesting

May as mentioned above, Valley has a claim but has been down now for 4-5 years

I might lean towards Garden City

Titles, longevity

Happy?
Motley County?

I’ll say in order

1. RS
2. Strawn
3. BC
4. Abbott
5 Garden City

Hon men

May, Happy, Valley, MC, and Gordon round out top 10

 

[Homelander]

How did Valley sneak into your list? McLean might be a better choice with one championship and another game as runner up. Of course Westbrook with two championships recently which trumps Valley.

What I'm going by is the body of work from 2000-2024. I know Valley has had a rough couple of years here of recently, but if you look at Valleys win totals from that time frame, they have averaged almost 10 wins per season. Neither Mclean nor Westbrook have been as consistent as Valley in those years.

 

[CVguy]

You all seem to be forgetting about Follett. I looked back at their history and in the 24 years, they have only had 1 losing season, have made the playoffs 21 times, including making it to the State Championship game 3 times, losing twice to Richland Springs and once to Strawn.

 

[CVguy]

Actually, make that 4 times to the State Championship game. Two losses to Richland Springs and two losses to Strawn.

 

[Texlonghorn75]

What I'm going by is the body of work from 2000-2024. I know Valley has had a rough couple of years here of recently, but if you look at Valleys win totals from that time frame, they have averaged almost 10 wins per season. Neither Mclean nor Westbrook have been as consistent as Valley in those years.

Mclean and Westbrook have that mountain top view going for them which Valley hasn't enjoyed. But I understand the consistency Valley has shown, Happy has had some very good teams but never made it to the top.

 

[phimutau]

Title winners only, from the years of 2000 to 2023. I treated it as an elite club where winning a UIL State Championship was the only way to gain entry. There are a lot of great schools that are competitive and win a lot of games, but I wanted this to show the ones that have conquered that giant. Sorted by Title Wins, Title Losses, and then Win %. I would definitely say the Top 5 are among this list. Y'all can decide.

 

[SimplyPut]

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Title winners only, from the years of 2000 to 2023. I treated it as an elite club where winning a UIL State Championship was the only way to gain entry. There are a lot of great schools that are competitive and win a lot of games, but I wanted this to show the ones that have conquered that giant. Sorted by Title Wins, Title Losses, and then Win %. I would definitely say the Top 5 are among this list. Y'all can decide

This is good information. But if we are talking Top 5 programs I believe teams like May, Valley, and maybe Rankin would have a lot higher win % and probably more playoff games than some of these that made the list. I know May and Valley have made it to the Mountain just not won it. But as far as top programs they would replace quite a few of these on the list. Benjamin and Vernon have more losses than wins during this 23 year period. Just had a good team a particular year or 2. And Westbrook, though a recent powerhouse is just 1 game over 500 during this time period. This is one of those things that the outcome is determined by the criteria used. Definitely shows the elite programs but leaves a few out that should be in the conversation and probably lets a few be considered that had great runs but not top programs over the years. Thanks for putting this together though. Very interesting. Glad there have been some discussion items last week or so. It had become kinda boring in here.

 

[CoachSanders@ACS]

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Title winners only, from the years of 2000 to 2023. I treated it as an elite club where winning a UIL State Championship was the only way to gain entry. There are a lot of great schools that are competitive and win a lot of games, but I wanted this to show the ones that have conquered that giant. Sorted by Title Wins, Title Losses, and then Win %. I would definitely say the Top 5 are among this list. Y'all can decide.

Good stuff, thanks!

 

[phimutau]

I may put a bigger list together that includes the non title winners, but reduce the time period down to 10 years. What are some key criteria that y'all would like to sort the list by?

 

[CoachSanders@ACS]

I may put a bigger list together that includes the non title winners, but reduce the time period down to 10 years. What are some key criteria that y'all would like to sort the list by?

Personally, I’d like to see the list with non-title winners for the last 20-25 years as well. I’d be curious to see some programs around the state who have had some success in the past, but have been down a few years maybe for whatever reason.

I have no idea the amount of effort or headache this may take, so it’s just a personal suggestion. Thanks!

 

[SimplyPut]

I may put a bigger list together that includes the non title winners, but reduce the time period down to 10 years. What are some key criteria that y'all would like to sort the list by?

None for me….lol I enjoyed looking at what you put together. That stuff is time consuming. But in my comments I left off Follett. I agree with CVguy. Follett is another good one.

 

[phimutau]

Ok, I will take on the task of 25 years. It will take a while, but I will put something together.

 

[CoachSanders@ACS]

Ok, I will take on the task of 25 years. It will take a while, but I will put something together.

Awesomeness, thank you! I think it would be neat to see if any old diamonds pop up that we’ve forgotten about and then start a dialogue on what’s been the problem or solution for some of these programs success / struggles. For example, you can directly trace the rise of the 11-man SLC empire because of IBM moving their main office there in 1992-93. The influx of people and talent seemed to be overnight and they never looked back. On the flip side, you can trace Celina’s dominance being leveled off due to the growth around them and players leaving because of that.

Not to start the crows cackling, but I always wondered how RS got their kids. There is nothing around them! No larger area to draw from. So, no, I don’t buy it was always from recruiting kids. Their tradition is tried and true, imo.

Anyway, I digress. I love the data because it can spark a lot of good discussions. Thanks again!

 

[Texlonghorn75]

Awesomeness, thank you! I think it would be neat to see if any old diamonds pop up that we’ve forgotten about and then start a dialogue on what’s been the problem or solution for some of these programs success / struggles. For example, you can directly trace the rise of the 11-man SLC empire because of IBM moving their main office there in 1992-93. The influx of people and talent seemed to be overnight and they never looked back. On the flip side, you can trace Celina’s dominance being leveled off due to the growth around them and players leaving because of that.

Not to start the crows cackling, but I always wondered how RS got their kids. There is nothing around them! No larger area to draw from. So, no, I don’t buy it was always from recruiting kids. Their tradition is tried and true, imo.

Anyway, I digress. I love the data because it can spark a lot of good discussions. Thanks again.

If SLC is your abbreviation for SouthLake Carroll, they are second best to Aledo by a mile or two. And there was not much around Aledo other than cow pastures when Coach Buchanan was hired in the mid 1990's. You must be new to the website if you haven't enjoyed the banter on RS. Those San Saba pecans are high in protein.

 

[DFW7jonpardi]

This is the kind of nuance the board has been lacking this season, imo.

 

[CoachSanders@ACS]

If SLC is your abbreviation for SouthLake Carroll, they are second best to Aledo by a mile or two. And there was not much around Aledo other than cow pastures when Coach Buchanan was hired in the mid 1990's. You must be new to the website if you haven't enjoyed the banter on RS. Those San Saba pecans are high in protein.

I agree with you. Both of those teams were in my district when I played in HS. SLC got us on their peak, and we barely missed Aledo's dominance by a year, thank goodness! I'm relatively new, been here a few years, and there isn't too much I don't enjoy about this site, including the RS banter.

I think we need some of those pecans in Azle, Tx!!!

 

[Texlonghorn75]

This is the kind of nuance the board has been lacking this season, imo.

As long as she ain't in it!!