Sixman Demands??

[coachsatcher]

I'm curious if it is only six man football that has housing for coaches? I'm curious because in my two years at Buckholts, I've been asked at least twenty times about campus housing. This spring I interviewed for two 11-man jobs, both of which were not substantially higher in pay than what I'm receiving from Mt. Calm. Neither have ever even thought about campus housing. So I was curious if this was just something 6-man schools offer?

 

[Little Doc]

Never heard of an eleven-man school offering housing, although some may. For smaller, rural, six man schools, years ago it was harder to get folks to come there because of size. Plus many are not located near larger towns that had adequate housing opportunities. Many six-man schools provide housing either free or at a low rate. Some don't have any and allow teachers and coaches to live out of district because of a lack of housing.

 

[Gorilla85]

A lot of schools out in West Texas have school housing. I've never lived in anything but school housing.

 

[Old Bearkat]

Most of the rural schools in West Texas have always offered housing for teachers, not just coaches. Garden City had housing when they were 6 man, 8 man, 11 man and now back to 6 man. Only those fairly close to larger cities did not offer it.

 

[WV Backer]

I know Water Valley did back in the day, couldn't tell you if they still do. Most of the teachers still lived in San Angelo anyway.

 

[Bobby Avery]

It is the rural schools that really have to offer housing for coaches and teachers to live there. There is not a good market for homes in rural places. So in order to attract a coach to the rural area a house is usually offered as a perk to attract them there. Otherwise they would have to purchase a house that they might not be able to get rid of when they leave. Also they could rent if they found something, but then the cost of renting will probably be too high and the coach may choose to live elsewhere or even drive to work from a place where the housing market is more available. In the larger schools purchasing a home might be a way for the coach to be able to make a buck if the housing market is healthy. Usually the home appreciates a bit in the time that they occupy it and they can build equity up in another home where they relocate.

 

[Old Bearkat]

I don't know about the rest of them, but back in the day, it was almost impossible to find a rental house in Garden City. There was not even a tornado magnet, er, trailer park, there. There was a place where you could hook up a RV or airstream, but who would want to live in one of those full time, especially if you have kids.......

 

[Little Doc]

They ought to give them free housing because every one of them coach nearly every sport on one level or the other and spend most of their time at the school. Figure the number of hours most of them put in and they probably aren't even close to earning minimum wage. Six-man schools get their money's worth out of their coaches!

 

[coachsatcher]

They ought to give them free housing because every one of them coach nearly every sport on one level or the other and spend most of their time at the school. Figure the number of hours most of them put in and they probably aren't even close to earning minimum wage. Six-man schools get their money's worth out of their coaches!

I agree we're under paid, but I didn't know if housing was something everyone did. At Buckholts, we're 9 minutes from Cameron, 10 minutes from Rogers and 20 minutes from Temple; so housing is within reason. I just don't know how schools like Buckholts can compete with these schools offering housing. I didn't even ask about housing when I was hired, because I knew nothing about it. Didn't have it anyway, but I didn't know to even ask.

 

[Dogface]

Actually,
and you can call me crazy,
but school housing shouldn't be that hard to provide.
I've been to 3 places
that had a decent house right
across the street that could have been fixed up.
There was this other place that needed to tear theirs down
before it fell down.
So,
It could go either way I guess.

 

[twodollarbill]

They ought to give them free housing because every one of them coach nearly every sport on one level or the other and spend most of their time at the school. Figure the number of hours most of them put in and they probably aren't even close to earning minimum wage. Six-man schools get their money's worth out of their coaches!

I suppose that with all of our CHOSEN professions, maybe our employers/tax base should pay for all of our housing, bills etc. I mean I've had to go to some desolate places to do my job too. I've had to buy a house or rent and have either made or lost money on all those transactions.
I'm sorry, but am I the only one who sees this as a burden on the taxpayer that probably doesn't need to exist? Or at least it shouldn't need to exist to the point that it's an EXPECTED perk.
Taking nothing from Educators who get the benefit(more power to ya) but surely the "You Owe Me Something" crowd realized they weren't going into investment banking when they chose this profession.

 

[Little Doc]

I don't think it's EXPECTED, but it is sure nice when a district wants to take care of it's people. The school has probably in past years needed this as an incentive to keep and entice good folks and just continue to do it because they can afford it. When they get to where it is too costly they usually add a rent fee that is nominal. These districts are to be commended for valuing their employees to this level.

 

[twodollarbill]

I don't think it's EXPECTED, but it is sure nice when a district wants to take care of it's people. The school has probably in past years needed this as an incentive to keep and entice good folks and just continue to do it because they can afford it. When they get to where it is too costly they usually add a rent fee that is nominal. These districts are to be commended for valuing their employees to this level.

With that logic Wal Mart should do the same to retain or attract new talent to their organization? I'm not disagreeing with the premise that if it's there utilize it. My argument is that it should not be a perk in the first place.
Try renting (I said RENTING) a house in Midland/Odessa, anywhere in South Tx or even your beloved San Angelo lately? Market driving those prices high? Yup. Do we pay it? Yup. We have to. It's the price we pay to do the jobs we CHOSE to do.

 

[Little Doc]

I certainly do not understand your logic. So you're saying that if in your current job they offer you a bonus, you should turn it down because that is a perk that you shouldn't have; that your salary that you hired on for should be good enough. If a school, or any company for that matter, wants to include something in their desire to hire you, that is wrong? It's not up to me or you to say that school or company is wrong. If you don't want it, don't apply for the job! Not all employers offer the same thing. To each, their own.

 

[twodollarbill]

I certainly do not understand your logic. So you're saying that if in your current job they offer you a bonus, you should turn it down because that is a perk that you shouldn't have; that your salary that you hired on for should be good enough. If a school, or any company for that matter, wants to include something in their desire to hire you, that is wrong? It's not up to me or you to say that school or company is wrong. If you don't want it, don't apply for the job! Not all employers offer the same thing. To each, their own.

Agreed to a point. Only difference, taxpayers don't fund my bonus.
So in that vein it IS up to me to express my opinion on what or what not my Dollars are spent on.
When you become a Share Holder of a company I work for, you'll have the same right, dare I say OBLIGATION.

 

[twodollarbill]

And just so we're clear, I don't DO NOT begrudge the "perks" some Educators/Coaches currently benefit from. The title of the Thread is Sixman DEMANDS.
I'm speaking purely on that thought only.

 

[oldfat&bald]

I can see what you're getting at Dos Pesos, to a point. Yes, these guys chose their profession. Yes, it's not a high paying one. But, every school that's open out there must have staff. If the pay sucks and housing is high, it's going to be hard to fill positions. Folks will go to where they can afford to live. I bet the taxpayers would really throw a fit if the ball coaches started getting paid $175K a year and the English teachers started making $100K. I can hear the cotton farmers screaming now.

 

[oldfat&bald]

BTW, I'm not a teacher, coach or in any other way affiliated with a school other than having kids attend one.

 

[Blue Bird]

Two dollar, Do you believe a coach should be paid a stipend, extra money for extra hours working with kids? Do you believe each school and coach could and should negotiate the amount to be paid. Where is the kick for offering a house as part of their stipend? You pay a coach less money and a house to live in. Money and house=full stipend paid. It comes out the same whether there is a house involved or not. Metromess schools have been paying large stipends for teachers with math and science degrees, more stipends than most of their coaches get. You pay and offer what you need to get a quality staff.

 

[twodollarbill]

Two dollar, Do you believe a coach should be paid a stipend, extra money for extra hours working with kids? Do you believe each school and coach could and should negotiate the amount to be paid. Where is the kick for offering a house as part of their stipend? You pay a coach less money and a house to live in. Money and house=full stipend paid. It comes out the same whether there is a house involved or not. Metromess schools have been paying large stipends for teachers with math and science degrees, more stipends than most of their coaches get. You pay and offer what you need to get a quality staff.

Let me try again to clear this up. I believe a coach/educator should be paid whatever it is that is negotiated as their salary. If that includes a house, a car, no bills or an annual all expense paid trip to Bora Bora then you're a good negotiator. That being said and in the spirit of the topic of this thread, I don't believe a coach/educator or school for that matter has the right to DEMAND (that is the name of the thread) such perks. School Boards have a feduciary duty to spend Taxpayers dollars in a responsible manner. If that includes housing for coaches/educator, so be it. But let that be the WILL of the citizenry (not the School). And again, to those of you who have obviously taken offense to my view point, I am not suggesting that you haven't earned or even deserve what you have. I am simply saying that it shouldn't be a demand.