Receiver Motion question

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barny75070

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We align with 3 lineman stacked on the Line of Scrimmage- Wideout lines up on the line of scrimmage, steps back and comes in motion, receives the handoff from the QB as he passes, and proceeds up field after the handoff. We were told that the receiver had to "reset" himself in a set position (for a full second), and accepting the handoff was illegal. We were further told that on another play where we ran the same motion, it was legal because he didn't receive the handoff...

Can you give me some clarity? We have run this or 4 years, and never had an issue...

Thanks!
 
As long as everyone is set before the WR comes in motion, then it is all good. The only time he has to come to a stop for one second is if two players are in motion at the same time. We run this formation all the time and have never had a problem. Sounds like the stripes need to read up on the rules a little more.
 
Keep it Simple

1) You must have 3 Players on the LOS at the snap. I don't care what you call them.
2) If you start with 3 on the LOS and move 1 of them off, it can not be "in motion", otherwise illegal formation for not having 3 on the LOS. It must be a shift in order to return "any" player to the LOS, to maintain 3 on the LOS.

2a) If you do "shift a players from/to the LOS, he along with the rest of the formation "even if you plan to put a man in motion" must come to pause 1 second. the shift must happen before the motion. You still must maintain 3 on the LOS. If you start with 3 and shift 1 player off, you must also shift one player on. And do it together and as fluid as possible.

4) the only way to put a man in motion off the LOS is if you start with 4 men on the LOS, The Player to go into motion must "shift off" first before starting motion.

5) there is one more rule I beleive you have to considere. No "BACK" within 2 yards of the line of scrimmage my go into motion. I read it somewhere alooong time ago. Maybe stripes can verify. I believe it was to simplify things, there is a grey area as to what is considered the LOS.

wooops I think I went a little overboard.....but you get the point.
 
pretty good...

that two yard rule must be before my time... :)

Ok, all shifts/motions/formation fouls are live ball fouls that occur at the snap, so at any point before the snap you can do "something" to get yourself out of a foul, in almost all occasions (kickoff 5 yard rule is the exception)

You know this, but trying not leaving anything out, at the snap, you have to have three men on the LOS, and everyone had to be set at some point for 1 second, altogether.

If you shift a lineman back and a back up, you don't necessarily have to do it at exactly the same time, but it is much clearer to everyone what is going on if that is the way that is done, and that is typically how it is executed. Yes, when the lineman on the end of the line is establishing himself as a back, he has to retreat, step back, whatever, to the backfield and come set for a second. Now he is a back, likewise, someone has to move up to replace him, now he is a lineman. He could go from the end of the line back to a RB with the QB, that is fine, as long as he gets set and establishes himself as a back.

Once he is established as a back, he can do anything a back can do, motion, whatever. The only thing he can't do is go in motion from the LOS and still be in that motion at the snap.

In crowded field, you see this all the time, several players may shift after initially being set in one location all at the same time, but they once they get to their new position, they get set for the one second and they are good to go. QB just has to pay attention to what is going on and not get in too big of a hurry... (see this a lot in jr high :))
 
oh, and that about getting or not getting the ball... makes no difference, neither is legal if he went directly in motion from the LOS.
 
It sounds like the official may have had an 11 man rule in his mind, and possibly the one CT6MFL is thinking of. There is a rule that says that for a player who was on the line at the snap to receive a forward handoff, he must be at least 2 yards behind the line and turned so that he has faced his own end line. However, there is a 6 man exception to this rule.
 
Ah yes, but that rule isn't talking about a man in motion at the snap, to be legally in motion at the snap, you must have been established as a back.

b. Man in Motion.
1. One back may be in motion, but he may not be moving toward his opponent’s goal line.
2. The player who goes in motion may not start from the line of scrimmage unless he first becomes a back and comes to a complete stop.
3. A player in motion at the snap must have satisfied the one-second rule—i.e., he may not start his motion before any shift has ended (Rule 2-22-1-c).

As far as the shoulders and two yards..

11-man
Handing the Ball Forward
ARTICLE 6. No player may hand the ball forward except during a scrimmage down as follows:
a. A Team A back may hand the ball forward to another back only if both are behind their scrimmage line.
b. A Team A back behind his scrimmage line may hand the ball forward to a teammate who is on his scrimmage line at the snap, provided that teammate leaves his line position by a movement of both feet that faces him toward his own end line and is at least two yards behind his scrimmage line when he receives the ball (A.R. 7-1-6-I).

6-man
13. The ball may be handed in any direction to any player during a scrimmage down behind the neutral zone. A linesman may receive a forward hand-off at any time and is not required to be 2 yards behind his line of scrimmage and does not have to face his goal prior to receiving the hand-off. EXCEPTION: The ball may not be handed forward to the snapper through his legs. PENALTY: 5 yards from previous spot and loss of down (S19 & S9).
 
fencewire":64przk1l said:
b. Man in Motion.
1. One back may be in motion, but he may not be moving toward his opponent’s goal line.
2. The player who goes in motion may not start from the line of scrimmage unless he first becomes a back and comes to a complete stop.
3. A player in motion at the snap must have satisfied the one-second rule—i.e., he may not start his motion before any shift has ended (Rule 2-22-1-c).
Click to expand...
~ APPROVED RULINGS ~
Section 3: Other Plays
I. Team A lines up at the line of scrimmage with three men on the scrimmage line next to each other in a three point stance. A80 located on the right side of the snapper raises up and shifts out 7 yards. RULING: Since A80 is at the end of the line this is a legal shift.

http://www.uiltexas.org/files/athletics ... e_2013.pdf

This seems to contradict what you had stated earlier. How am I interpreting this wrong?
 
That approved ruling is about a legal vs illegal shift, which is different than illegal motion. In the AR A 80 shifts out from a 3 point stance which is the emphasis of the AR, because he is an end, he can pick his hand up. The AR says it is a legal shift, although it may still be illegal motion if he is still in motion at the snap.
 

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