** One (not Two) game ruined for me by the refs **

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topher80

11-man fan
Okay, first off I do support Gordon football by donating money to Microplex News so they can broadcast and I do have good friends at WV.

Unfortunately, both games I listened to this weekend were officiated by "rookies". Yes, Gordon won and WV lost and those results wouldn't have probably changed even with impartial officials.

What I'm pissed about is the blatant favoring of one team over the other with regards to penalties. I do honestly believe that because our beloved game is so far down the food chain in terms of Texas football that we get stuck with refs whose calls are beyond bizarre. I can only pray that come semi-finals and final that the referee situation can be sorted out. I would hate to see a state championship decided by the officials.
 
topher80":hwx1jdd0 said:
Okay, first off I do support Gordon football by donating money to Microplex News so they can broadcast and I do have good friends at WV.

Unfortunately, both games I listened to this weekend were officiated by "rookies". Yes, Gordon won and WV lost and those results wouldn't have probably changed even with impartial officials.

What I'm pissed about is the blatant favoring of one team over the other with regards to penalties. I do honestly believe that because our beloved game is so far down the food chain in terms of Texas football that we get stuck with refs whose calls are beyond bizarre. I can only pray that come semi-finals and final that the referee situation can be sorted out. I would hate to see a state championship decided by the officials.
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You "listened" to the games on the radio. So you are taking the commentary as the gospel then?? Shame,shame!!
 
Topher, I really don't believe that most Refs are or would be biased against a team in the playoffs. I think that they actually call the penaltys as they see them. It is just

that they sometimes seem to be looking in the wrong direction or are distracted at the moment that an infraction takes place. And, when a call goes against our team, we

want to believe that Mr. Blind Bat is pulling for the opponent!
 
I live 1200 miles from Follett. I can only listen online. Good point about commentator bias... however the penalties don't add up on either game.
 
I was at the Gordon vs Savoy game. I don't know about bias, but in all my years of watching football, I was right perplexed by this referee crew. No disrespect to the stripe shirts out there, but these guys were just... weird. It would be safe to say that 10 minutes was added to the game (at least 10, maybe more) for the conferences after each flag was thrown. Even OFFSIDES! Yes, getting the call right is important, but they were waaaaay overboard with the mini huddles to determine the call. And then, white hat would give a signal to the home side that looked like he'd never called a game before. It was very hard for the fans to know what the call was. And the two refs in the end zone watching the ball to see if the kick was good. What was that all about? Can you not raise you hands if it's good or wave the hands in front if it's bad? It was just a bizarre reffed game IMO. Don't think it affected the outcome any, but just weird...
 
Edward Golden":1clp59uu said:
I was at the WV game and the officials were fine...obvious mismatch of talent.
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Maybe you were not at the correct elevation to see all the missed calls. The radio crew saw all of them!! Ugh!!!

Thanks for setting the record straight!!
 
Of course they are going to be biased... the question remains of the fact that both games had officials who favored one team. Yes, Gordon is the better team and so is Throckmorton, I'm not disputing that. I'm arguing that the officials in both the Gordon/Savoy and Throck/WV games were bloody awful and I hope that is the last of them. I don't want to turn on the radio next week and hear the same crap. The best team on the field should win and it shouldn't be decided by a bunch of boneheads.
 
topher80,
I don't know what the radio guys were saying but I was there and it wasn't pretty. I don't think the officials had anything to do with it, T-Rock just killed 'em. Matter of fact, I thought the officials called a pretty good game. WV had a couple of roughing the kicker penalties but, well, quite frankly they roughed the kicker. There was a 4th and 23 play where Kirkland scrambled for the first down that got called back for holding but, again, the kid was holding. It wasn't the officials brother, it was the Greyhounds.
 
Ya know it could be that one team actually committed more infractions than the other....... Just sayin' that's kinda what I saw in Early. I saw a few questionable calls go against Throck. Roughing the kicker is a pretty obvious call......
 
I was at the Gordon/Savoy game and it was as poorly officiated as a game could be. Not because the calls went one way or the other, just the fact they violated the first rule of officiating "don't be a part of the game". This crew was obnoxiously inserting themselves into the game. And the conferences after each of the way too many flags, took all flow out of the game. Total lack of confidence in themselves and what they were doing. Full disclosure: yes, I am a Gordon supporter. But that doesn't mean I can't be objective. There was no doubt which was the better team, no officiating crew could have changed the outcome. I just expect better crews than what was on display in this game.
 
What did it for me was when Gordon got a holding call on the 15 yard line and they marched off 10 yards and placed it on the five, instead of doing half the distance to the goal. Then a few plays later, they did it again when the ball was on the 8 and marched off 5 for false start. Not complaining about the calls, im sure they got those right, at least the false start, cause I saw him jump too. After that, I wasn't confident in any of their calls. Including the call by the ref IN THE BACKFIELD who called the QB for crossing the LOS before throwing it. First, how can you see that, second, the line judge was right there, let him make that call, third, he was 3 yards behind the LOS. I was told by a ref once that the refs best critics are winning teams that criticize and losing teams that praise. Well, we won by 45 and it was still one of the worst officiated games I have ever seen. The game film needs to be sent in and the referees that called it need to watch it and see all that they did wrong. It would be benificial to all of the future teams that have to endure playing a game with this referee. Not crew, just the referee!
 
gohorns40":3dwnamtb said:
I was at the Gordon/Savoy game and it was as poorly officiated as a game could be. Not because the calls went one way or the other, just the fact they violated the first rule of officiating "don't be a part of the game". This crew was obnoxiously inserting themselves into the game. And the conferences after each of the way too many flags, took all flow out of the game. Total lack of confidence in themselves and what they were doing. Full disclosure: yes, I am a Gordon supporter. But that doesn't mean I can't be objective. There was no doubt which was the better team, no officiating crew could have changed the outcome. I just expect better crews than what was on display in this game.
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Question... and our smarter ref friends can answer this. I hear in some chapters the playoff assignments are made by sending the "top crews," perhaps guys who have called 11-man 5A down to 1A games and the season-long 6 man crews get shut out.

Could it be that some of these playoff crews are 11-man crews that need to stop and decide, "is this different in 6 man?"

I could be wrong on this ... I'd like to think the chapters are sending experienced 6 man crews to call 6 man playoff games.

But it might be worth it for your coach to send the film into the chapter.

And as I once told our basketball team years ago, if you think the refs are meeting at Jim's Coffee Shop in San Antonio, plotting on how to get at the Lifegate basketball team, you've way overestimated your value to the game of basketball ...
 
I'm an official so you might consider me biased. lol Our chapter, when picked for a 6man game, sends either our best 6man crew or we send our best officials who are best familiar with the rules (both 11man and 6man) AND have worked a predetermined number of 6man games that year. I can't speak for all chapters, but I trust their judgment. As for the people who keep bashing officials... I will tell you what I have been telling all other critics. If you think we are doing such a crappy job then get out there and show us how it's done.
 
eagle_man80":2og918ro said:
I'm an official so you might consider me biased. lol Our chapter, when picked for a 6man game, sends either our best 6man crew or we send our best officials who are best familiar with the rules (both 11man and 6man) AND have worked a predetermined number of 6man games that year. I can't speak for all chapters, but I trust their judgment. As for the people who keep bashing officials... I will tell you what I have been telling all other critics. If you think we are doing such a crappy job then get out there and show us how it's done.
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I know my limitations and know I am a poor official from my attempts some years ago. That does not mean I shouldn't comment on my observations. In fact, I feel it gives me a right to comment. Maybe some of your counterparts should do some reflecting and be honest with themselves concerning their abilities....just sayin'.....
 
If you officiated with a chapter then you should also know the officials don't pick which games they get to work. The chapter secretary decides who will repesent the chapter for a playoff game. And that is one more thing you must remember, the person who assigns games is also taking in to consideration who will be representing the chapter. He isn't going to choose someone who is unaware of rules and procedures. Now, with that being said I will agree that it doesn't take that long to recognize those who often get on a power trip (every chapter has at least a few). Getting on here and complaining isn't going to change anything. Getting out there and getting involved with the local chapter will create progress. May not be much, but it will do some good. Maybe it will even prevent people from making "poor attempts" ...just sayin.
 
From what I've read in this post, the game called on KGKL (WV/T-Rock) obviously wasn't the same one as people witnessed. I take my words back about the officials and apologize. However, it does seem the Gordon game was poorly officiated. What recourse do teams have when such a game is played? Can they really send game film in to be reviewed? Will it do anything?
 
topher80":1lkwz7f3 said:
From what I've read in this post, the game called on KGKL (WV/T-Rock) obviously wasn't the same one as people witnessed. I take my words back about the officials and apologize. However, it does seem the Gordon game was poorly officiated. What recourse do teams have when such a game is played? Can they really send game film in to be reviewed? Will it do anything?
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Well, as I've said, refs have it better than the cops because if you get a ticket, you can go to the judge and try to beat it.

I know of one basketball game (a Spurs vs Lakers game in the early 80s) that was replayed because of an error in an officials' call; I think it was they made an error on a free throw violation late in the game which caused the Lakers to win (something like 5 seconds left in the game). I remember going to the replay game later in the season at the old Hemisfair Arena and they replayed those last 5 seconds or so and the Spurs won twice that night.

Anyway, those are the exceptions rather than the rule. And I doubt if I'll see an exception like that again (see: Packers vs Seahawks, 2012). Nor do I want to.

What chapters do with the film is actually a good idea ... they use it as teaching tools to officials to help illustrate good and bad calls. But remember one thing -- the perspective of the official on the field is much different that the person filming the game from the booth or end zone camera.
 
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