Mr. Trump
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TebowTime15":28605jy1 said:
Rankings, ok, I will play (my personal)
1. Clinton, 2. Obama, 3. Biden, 4. H. Clinton, 5. Kerry, 6. Gore
1. GHW Bush, 2. GW Bush, 3. McCain, 4. Romney, 5. Dole, 6. Trump
Not sure if anyone saw John Kasich speak yesterday. Although he looked like he had just woken up, he was great. Basically said no matter how this falls, this is no time for chest-beating or celebration. There is obviously a divide between the cities and rural America and people need to start listening to each other again.
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Hey Smokey, I think Patton was considered to be the BIGGEST JERK of World War II.
Pretty Dam Good General though. It ain’t all pretty. Like making sausage, if you watch it being made, it’s not appetizing but it tastes pretty Darn good!
Leave the “Pretty Boys “ to Tinsel Town,
Pretty Dam Good General though. It ain’t all pretty. Like making sausage, if you watch it being made, it’s not appetizing but it tastes pretty Darn good!
Leave the “Pretty Boys “ to Tinsel Town,
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Patton may have been considered the biggest jerk but McArthur was and probably still is the biggest jerk among military generals of all time. Coming in a close second is George Marshall.FCSA football":3op43yvw said:
TebowTime15
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granger":4hqn6d6n said:
Democrats:
1. Bill Clinton
2. Joe Biden
3. Al Gore (I probably liked Kerry's and Hillary's policies a little more, but Al was hilarious to listen to!)
4. John Kerry
5. Hillary Clinton
6. Barack Obama
Republicans:
1. Donald Trump
2. Bob Dole
3. George Bush 41
4. George Bush 43
5. Mitt Romney
6. John McCain
World War II Generals:
George Patton >>>>>> Douglass MacArthur - I don't know anything about George Marshall other than the Marshall Plan.
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And my two cents........,
Democrats:
1. Bill Clinton - Bald faced liar, con artist par excellence, no character and the morals of an ally cat named Epstein. Don’t forget his advertising for “Astro Turf” and El Caminos, liked kids his daughters age.
2. Joe Biden - been dead 5 years, the Clintons forgot to tell him though.
3. Al Gore - Greatest Accomplishment - invented the internet.
4. John Kerry - GQ’s poster boy for a “war Hero”. (Great Photo Ops).
5. Hillary Clinton - see Slick Willie and Epstein above, add prolific exterminator of Americans.
6. Barack Obama - wins Nobel Peace Prize by doing Absolutely Nothing so he continued doing nothing, and furthermore.........
Republicans:
1. Donald Trump - may not be your favorite but there’s no denying he was created for this time and his Place in the Sun.
2. Bob Dole - Good Guy, a REAL WAR HERO, too nice to be President.
3. George Bush 41- see Bob Dole above, add “a trifle naive.”?
4. George Bush 43- biggest fault, trusting John (Johnny Boy) McCain, double crossing liar. (See Hiliary above)
5. Mitt Romney - smart man, intelligent Democrat.
6. John McCain- Jane Fonda with a crew cut. nothing further I can put in print here. Greatest Fable since Cinderella.
Last truly great Presidnet and for Real War Hero:
John F. Kennedy.
And there you have it !
Democrats:
1. Bill Clinton - Bald faced liar, con artist par excellence, no character and the morals of an ally cat named Epstein. Don’t forget his advertising for “Astro Turf” and El Caminos, liked kids his daughters age.
2. Joe Biden - been dead 5 years, the Clintons forgot to tell him though.
3. Al Gore - Greatest Accomplishment - invented the internet.
4. John Kerry - GQ’s poster boy for a “war Hero”. (Great Photo Ops).
5. Hillary Clinton - see Slick Willie and Epstein above, add prolific exterminator of Americans.
6. Barack Obama - wins Nobel Peace Prize by doing Absolutely Nothing so he continued doing nothing, and furthermore.........
Republicans:
1. Donald Trump - may not be your favorite but there’s no denying he was created for this time and his Place in the Sun.
2. Bob Dole - Good Guy, a REAL WAR HERO, too nice to be President.
3. George Bush 41- see Bob Dole above, add “a trifle naive.”?
4. George Bush 43- biggest fault, trusting John (Johnny Boy) McCain, double crossing liar. (See Hiliary above)
5. Mitt Romney - smart man, intelligent Democrat.
6. John McCain- Jane Fonda with a crew cut. nothing further I can put in print here. Greatest Fable since Cinderella.
Last truly great Presidnet and for Real War Hero:
John F. Kennedy.
And there you have it !
TebowTime15
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Picking between Romney and McCain for me is the same as picking between Hillary, Gore, and Kerry. While you cannot deny McCain's military service, his policies and overall delivery style made zero sense. Policy wise, he gave the Democrats almost as much as Nevil Chamberlain gave Hitler at Munich. Romney does not believe what he says a lot of the time, but, like FCSA said, he is a very intelligent man. I think Romney's biggest issue is he hates Trump; otherwise he is a good rhino Republican. I voted for both of them, but I actually thought Romney ran a good campaign until the last few weeks. I mean, how did he convince Obama not to talk about the Mormon racial stuff? McCain was "too good of a guy" to challenge Obama on policies that made no sense.
If I had to hang out with one of them, McCain is probably a better guy. Romney is a much better politician, however.
If I had to hang out with one of them, McCain is probably a better guy. Romney is a much better politician, however.
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For Topher - WARNING: DO NOT DRINK ANYTHING WHILE VIEWING THIS IMAGE!
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OMG! hahahahaaha that is the best comparison of John Kerry ever! That man was truly like stone. We had a guy like that years ago that ran for PM. Rock. He didnt win either 
So it would appear that I will be starting the Mr. Biden tread as promised soon. The only state I can see at this point that will go back to red for sure is Georgia. AZ there is a chance but it won't be easy for the President.
So it would appear that I will be starting the Mr. Biden tread as promised soon. The only state I can see at this point that will go back to red for sure is Georgia. AZ there is a chance but it won't be easy for the President.
This week will certainly be interesting. Outside of the Florida re-count in 2000, the last time it took a President this long to concede was the election was in 1916 when Republican Charles Evan Hughes finally congratulated Woodrow Wilson after two weeks. President Trump is refusing to concede based on legal advice at the moment. I have no idea what evidence Rudy Giuilani is planning to present today but overturning
PA - Biden leading by 45,272 votes
NV - Biden leading by 34,283 votes
AZ - Biden leading by 16,985 votes
GA - Biden leading by 10,353 votes
will be virtually impossible.
Futhermore, several news reports both inside and outside the USA spoke about state legislatures appointing their EC votes to go against the people's vote. It has happened infrequently in the past, in recent history in Washington state in 2016 breaking ranks and most notably in 1876 when Oregon awarded Rutherford B. Hayes their EC votes which lead to a constiutional crisis. Hopefully it will not come to this, because a single state is one thing but challenging the several states mentioned above, plus taking into account Michigan and Wisconsin, is a very dangerous ball game.
I do hope that, if no hard, concrete evidence of voter fraud is presented by the POTUS legal team that there is a peaceful transition over the coming weeks and months. If Donald doesn't want to conede publically, no one will force him.
This upcoming week may or may not be more interesting than the election week itself! The 'rona numbers at this point in time are through the roof in America and I pray that everyone on this forum and all of their loved ones are okay.
PA - Biden leading by 45,272 votes
NV - Biden leading by 34,283 votes
AZ - Biden leading by 16,985 votes
GA - Biden leading by 10,353 votes
will be virtually impossible.
Futhermore, several news reports both inside and outside the USA spoke about state legislatures appointing their EC votes to go against the people's vote. It has happened infrequently in the past, in recent history in Washington state in 2016 breaking ranks and most notably in 1876 when Oregon awarded Rutherford B. Hayes their EC votes which lead to a constiutional crisis. Hopefully it will not come to this, because a single state is one thing but challenging the several states mentioned above, plus taking into account Michigan and Wisconsin, is a very dangerous ball game.
I do hope that, if no hard, concrete evidence of voter fraud is presented by the POTUS legal team that there is a peaceful transition over the coming weeks and months. If Donald doesn't want to conede publically, no one will force him.
This upcoming week may or may not be more interesting than the election week itself! The 'rona numbers at this point in time are through the roof in America and I pray that everyone on this forum and all of their loved ones are okay.
TebowTime15
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Why exclude 2000? Gore had a right to make sure the results were fair, so why hold Trump to a double standard?
Trump winning the election is VERY possible, and I am going to go out on a limb and say the Supreme Court rules Trump wins the election. How can they do it? The most straight forward way is to declare mail-in-ballots unconstitutional by virtue of violating the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment. If even some mail-in votes are fraudulent, and I don't know that they are for sure, then none of them should be counted in my opinion, or at least the ones received after election day. The judges that allowed them in the first place should be impeached asap.
Also, it is worth pointing out some of those states are still counting ballots. This election is far from over. In fact, I think it has just begun this week. Just like I said, a few thousand votes in a few states will decide the election. Strap in folks, this could be an 1860 moment regardless of who wins.
I never want to see a faithless elector again.
Trump winning the election is VERY possible, and I am going to go out on a limb and say the Supreme Court rules Trump wins the election. How can they do it? The most straight forward way is to declare mail-in-ballots unconstitutional by virtue of violating the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment. If even some mail-in votes are fraudulent, and I don't know that they are for sure, then none of them should be counted in my opinion, or at least the ones received after election day. The judges that allowed them in the first place should be impeached asap.
Also, it is worth pointing out some of those states are still counting ballots. This election is far from over. In fact, I think it has just begun this week. Just like I said, a few thousand votes in a few states will decide the election. Strap in folks, this could be an 1860 moment regardless of who wins.
I never want to see a faithless elector again.
"No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
The USA is in the same position as it was last month except now, with President-Elect Biden, the flipside of the country feels disenfranchised. With the Supreme Court heavily Republican leaning, ruling mail-in ballots unconstitutional at this time would trigger an immensely deep crisis and quite possibly, civil war. Knowing this, you would still be willing for the SCOTUS to remove mail-in ballots, a currently legal method of voting in America, just to give Donald Trump another term?
A few further questions because I am interested in hearing your viewpoint.
a) Would this not be considered an abuse of power by the Supreme Court to discount tens of millions of legal votes after the election without actual proof of widespread, massive voter fraud?
b) What could possibly happen with Joe Biden as the next President of the United States that risking a massive constitutional crisis and possibly a civil war is a reasonable idea?
c) What if the tables were turned and Democrats were willing to go to the lengths you just said in your post... how would you feel?
The USA is in the same position as it was last month except now, with President-Elect Biden, the flipside of the country feels disenfranchised. With the Supreme Court heavily Republican leaning, ruling mail-in ballots unconstitutional at this time would trigger an immensely deep crisis and quite possibly, civil war. Knowing this, you would still be willing for the SCOTUS to remove mail-in ballots, a currently legal method of voting in America, just to give Donald Trump another term?
A few further questions because I am interested in hearing your viewpoint.
a) Would this not be considered an abuse of power by the Supreme Court to discount tens of millions of legal votes after the election without actual proof of widespread, massive voter fraud?
b) What could possibly happen with Joe Biden as the next President of the United States that risking a massive constitutional crisis and possibly a civil war is a reasonable idea?
c) What if the tables were turned and Democrats were willing to go to the lengths you just said in your post... how would you feel?
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topher800":30rw94y6 said:
I want the legitimate winner to win the election, period, end of statement, regardless whether that is Biden or Trump. Honestly, I don't care what the media, Democrats, or their voters think about the Supreme Court decision. If they want a war, that is their prerogative. Personally, I will accept the results of the election if the Supreme Court determines there is no fraud. Like Gore and Stacey Abrams, however, Trump has the right to challenge election results if he suspects fraud.
If anyone is upset about the make up of the Supreme Court, blame RB Ginsburg. Obama tried to get her to retire before he left office. Did she listen to him? No sir! She cared more about herself than her ideology. Now, her legacy may be securing Donald Trump's reelection. Roberts will probably vote against Trump, so Biden wins if you take Amy CB off the court and put a liberal on it.
I think I addressed your questions but have a few of my own: Should we, the people, allow cheating without asking questions? If there was no cheating, then I want Biden to win the election. If there was cheating, do you want Trump to win the election?
Thank you for the post Tebow Ginsburg is to blame for not retiring. How on earth these are life appointments is beyond my understanding... which I know, I know, I know, as a Canadian is very limited!!!
Of course questions should be asked and if there has been extensive fraud on the part of the DNC then lock'em up. If there is massive voter fraud on a scale over several states like WI, MI, NV, AZ, PA, and GA, then no, Joe Biden should not be President. Proving that thousands of votes in each of those states were fraudulent... then, of course, the Presidency should stay with Donald Trump for another four years. Saying that, don't ya think that if there was any fraud evidence beyond heresay that the GOP legal team would have produced it in various state courts first thing this morning? Will Rudy Giulani and his legal team be saviours or stooges? The next little bit will decide...
On a side note, is election fraud considered to be treason or not? I really don't know what's on the books in the USA. Wonder what the current punishment for treason is in America? I mean, off the books, cause I doubt that they'd break out the gallows or, in the case of Louisiana lol, the guillotine!
Ginsburg is to blame for not retiring. How on earth these are life appointments is beyond my understanding... which I know, I know, I know, as a Canadian is very limited!!! Of course questions should be asked and if there has been extensive fraud on the part of the DNC then lock'em up. If there is massive voter fraud on a scale over several states like WI, MI, NV, AZ, PA, and GA, then no, Joe Biden should not be President. Proving that thousands of votes in each of those states were fraudulent... then, of course, the Presidency should stay with Donald Trump for another four years. Saying that, don't ya think that if there was any fraud evidence beyond heresay that the GOP legal team would have produced it in various state courts first thing this morning? Will Rudy Giulani and his legal team be saviours or stooges? The next little bit will decide...
On a side note, is election fraud considered to be treason or not? I really don't know what's on the books in the USA. Wonder what the current punishment for treason is in America? I mean, off the books, cause I doubt that they'd break out the gallows or, in the case of Louisiana lol, the guillotine!
TebowTime15
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I'm with you on the lifetime appointments being absurd and poor policy. I hope political parties and/or interest groups do not try to start assassinating Supreme Court Justices of the opposite affiliation when their party controls the presidency.
No idea about the RNC and its legal team or if Trump's claims are valid or not, but he deserves a day in court to make his case just like Gore and Abrams. While I do not have cable and try not to keep up with the crap the media calls news, Trump was way ahead in Georgia with most of the votes in. All of a sudden, Biden wins without any explanation. It seems like GA found around a 100,000, which is greater than the number of votes left at the time. Maybe it's legitimate, but they should at least have to explain what happened in the process. I suspect they "found" roughly 100,000, and most of them were for Biden. Although it is circumstantial, it made me weary of the process. If there is no wrong doing, GA poll workers and/or state officials can explain in court what happened in this fishy sounding situation. For anyone, especially the media, to suggest "there is no evidence" is ridiculous and defies common sense.
I think there is an outside chance Trump could still win Arizona without sueing the state. Honestly, I hope he loses because, if he won, Biden would then sue Arizona. If Trump loses every state, Biden, as the defendant, will try to refute Trump's assertions. If Biden in the plaintiff in one state, say Arziona, then he gets to present evidence. I cannot imagine the Supreme Court will be able to completely separate evidence in on case from another. Also, I'm not sure it is possible, but if the Democrats were smart they would try to make it where neither Biden nor Trump gets 270 because it then goes to the House of Representatives. Crazy Nancy would then vote for Joe, giving Biden's win more legitimacy then a suspect election.
As far as treason, I think the judges who allowed mail in voting should be the first people tried for it. This was such a bad idea. Comm'on, man! If the Supreme Court wants to be ultra fair, we should simply redo the election with only in person votes unless you are in the military.
No idea about the RNC and its legal team or if Trump's claims are valid or not, but he deserves a day in court to make his case just like Gore and Abrams. While I do not have cable and try not to keep up with the crap the media calls news, Trump was way ahead in Georgia with most of the votes in. All of a sudden, Biden wins without any explanation. It seems like GA found around a 100,000, which is greater than the number of votes left at the time. Maybe it's legitimate, but they should at least have to explain what happened in the process. I suspect they "found" roughly 100,000, and most of them were for Biden. Although it is circumstantial, it made me weary of the process. If there is no wrong doing, GA poll workers and/or state officials can explain in court what happened in this fishy sounding situation. For anyone, especially the media, to suggest "there is no evidence" is ridiculous and defies common sense.
I think there is an outside chance Trump could still win Arizona without sueing the state. Honestly, I hope he loses because, if he won, Biden would then sue Arizona. If Trump loses every state, Biden, as the defendant, will try to refute Trump's assertions. If Biden in the plaintiff in one state, say Arziona, then he gets to present evidence. I cannot imagine the Supreme Court will be able to completely separate evidence in on case from another. Also, I'm not sure it is possible, but if the Democrats were smart they would try to make it where neither Biden nor Trump gets 270 because it then goes to the House of Representatives. Crazy Nancy would then vote for Joe, giving Biden's win more legitimacy then a suspect election.
As far as treason, I think the judges who allowed mail in voting should be the first people tried for it. This was such a bad idea. Comm'on, man! If the Supreme Court wants to be ultra fair, we should simply redo the election with only in person votes unless you are in the military.
That was be an absolute legal mess if they both start contesting states and... hopefully it won't come to that but you are right, Donald has every right to have his day in court. Isn't it true or false that if its tied, as you said, it goes to the House to pick the POTUS BUT the Senate gets to pick the VPOTUS? So Biden-Pence ticket? Or can the Senate install any GOP member? What kinda crazy would that be...
Hasn't there be in voting by mail since the Civil War in the USA?
Hasn't there be in voting by mail since the Civil War in the USA?
Tebow,
In my research of Presidential elections in US this is my understanding of how the process works. If no one receives a majority of Electoral Votes then the individual States Legislatures vote. Each state legislature votes for one of the candidates shown on the ballot. Each state has One vote for President and One vote for Vice-President. As things stand now the Republicans control a majority of the State Houses.
I may be reading things wrong but have discussed this with some History/Government teachers (high school level) and this is how they understand the system to work.
If that is correct then Mr. Trump would probably be re-elected and poor little Nancy can't do anything about it. It is also possible to have a President from one party and a VP from a different party.
In my research of Presidential elections in US this is my understanding of how the process works. If no one receives a majority of Electoral Votes then the individual States Legislatures vote. Each state legislature votes for one of the candidates shown on the ballot. Each state has One vote for President and One vote for Vice-President. As things stand now the Republicans control a majority of the State Houses.
I may be reading things wrong but have discussed this with some History/Government teachers (high school level) and this is how they understand the system to work.
If that is correct then Mr. Trump would probably be re-elected and poor little Nancy can't do anything about it. It is also possible to have a President from one party and a VP from a different party.
Ahh I see... interesting system to say the least. Not that a tie is going to matter in this election but in the future it may. That about wraps it up for this election, Joe Biden will be the next President of the United States.
Will DJT run again in 2024 and get the GOP nomination? Probably not at this point, he won in 2016 with two states and lost the popular vote by 2-3 million and this year he lost the popular vote by 5 milliion and the election itself giving up some predominately red states to the Democrats. He will definitely try to keep himself relevant to his supporter base over the next four years but he will be almost 80 by the time the 2024 elections roll around. Will be interesting to see what happens to the MAGA movement.
Will DJT run again in 2024 and get the GOP nomination? Probably not at this point, he won in 2016 with two states and lost the popular vote by 2-3 million and this year he lost the popular vote by 5 milliion and the election itself giving up some predominately red states to the Democrats. He will definitely try to keep himself relevant to his supporter base over the next four years but he will be almost 80 by the time the 2024 elections roll around. Will be interesting to see what happens to the MAGA movement.
TebowTime15
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oldergoat":ravv52on said:
Topher, you did not understand oldgoat's post. If he's right, then Trump will win in the event of a tie.
To oldgoat: I was always taught a contested presidential election (IE: no one received 51% of the electoral college) goes to the House of Representatives, which would mean Biden wins since the Democrats control a majority there. After actually reading the text of the Constitution, however, I think you are pretty much right. While confusingly worded, it sounds like to me each state legislature votes for a candidate. If one candidate wins a majority of the state legislature, that candidate gets one vote. Thus, Trump would win something like 31 to 19. It also sounds like the loser, in this case Biden, is VP in the same way Jefferson was Adam's VP due to the 1796 election.
It has not come up since, I believe, 1876 with that super close election between Hayes and Tilden after the Civil War. Honestly, the left is going to lose their mind if Trump wins in this fashion. Keep in mind this only comes up if no one gets 270.
