Mr. Trump
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smokeyjoe53
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Topher have you not had your Moosehead or Molson’s yet this morning? Your reply seemed a little ambiguous..........
Perhaps that of the people “Mumbo jumbo” would be an ideal that would best serve ( at least in the U.S.) all of us.
We here in the States are an inherently independent bunch as evidenced by our rather forceful separation from a monarchy way back when. Clearly we are sacrificing that hard won independence daily by succumbing to suffocating laws, decrees, executive orders and loose interpretations of the Constitution on a seemingly daily basis.
Neither party has all the answers to our ails. All we can do at this point is fiercely defend our remaining rights and endeavor to win back those rights that we have lost.
Perhaps that of the people “Mumbo jumbo” would be an ideal that would best serve ( at least in the U.S.) all of us.
We here in the States are an inherently independent bunch as evidenced by our rather forceful separation from a monarchy way back when. Clearly we are sacrificing that hard won independence daily by succumbing to suffocating laws, decrees, executive orders and loose interpretations of the Constitution on a seemingly daily basis.
Neither party has all the answers to our ails. All we can do at this point is fiercely defend our remaining rights and endeavor to win back those rights that we have lost.
smokeyjoe53
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I guess the point I have been dancing around, hoping you would cut in, is this; the government will not change itself. The public will have to change the government. This is a bedrock principle of a republic.topher800":21bmo5cb said:
smokeyjoe53
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...... and I fear we ( U.S.)are too polarized as an electorate to accomplish anything but increased gridlock..........topher800":k8uemw6i said:
“I’m not going to waste my time on a virtual debate. That’s not what debating is all about,” Trump said on a phone interview with Fox Business on Thursday.
“You sit behind a computer and do a debate – it’s ridiculous, and then they cut you off whenever they want,” said Trump, who added that he was eager to hold campaign rallies with his supporters.
https://www.oann.com/after-their-lone-d ... d-arizona/
I guess at the NY Military Academy (Trump) and Archmere Academy (Biden) debaters were allowed to incessantly interrupt each other and call each other names. I was under the impression that debates were formal discussions where opposing arguments are put foward and argued in a orderly, respectable fashion. Boy was I wrong!!
Both sides in that disasterous first debate behaved like petulant children. Trump's handlers must feel that his ability to interrupt and cause chaos far outweigh his knowledge of domestic and foreign policy... which you know is kinda crucial for a sitting President to possess. Further, a mute button would be an asset to DJT because by the time Biden rambles out something regarding his incoherent vision of a democratic White House, time would be up and the floor would be back to the President. Trump believes the ability to cause mayhem far outweighs Biden's senility. What a sad state of affairs to be perfectly honest.
“You sit behind a computer and do a debate – it’s ridiculous, and then they cut you off whenever they want,” said Trump, who added that he was eager to hold campaign rallies with his supporters.
https://www.oann.com/after-their-lone-d ... d-arizona/
I guess at the NY Military Academy (Trump) and Archmere Academy (Biden) debaters were allowed to incessantly interrupt each other and call each other names. I was under the impression that debates were formal discussions where opposing arguments are put foward and argued in a orderly, respectable fashion. Boy was I wrong!!
Both sides in that disasterous first debate behaved like petulant children. Trump's handlers must feel that his ability to interrupt and cause chaos far outweigh his knowledge of domestic and foreign policy... which you know is kinda crucial for a sitting President to possess. Further, a mute button would be an asset to DJT because by the time Biden rambles out something regarding his incoherent vision of a democratic White House, time would be up and the floor would be back to the President. Trump believes the ability to cause mayhem far outweighs Biden's senility. What a sad state of affairs to be perfectly honest.
rainjacktx
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Topher,
Google Lincoln-Douglas debates. Read for about 3 days. Then get back to me about "formal discussion...orderly respectable fashion...etc."
What the debates could do without is the endless commentary by "experts" who think we as a population are too stupid to understand what we just heard.
Anyone who thought for a second that Trump was going to do anything different than he did in the debates 4 years ago needs a lobotomy. Likewise anyone who thinks Plugs Biden, if elected, will see July 4th from this side of the grave needs the same treatment.
We are sheeple. Every. Last. One. Of. Us. We don't have the guts our forefathers had in their little fingers. It doesn't matter who wins. Because, regardless of the outcome, we are another 4 years further away from when men actually stood up and fought for liberty.
And no, running a Gadsden flag up the pole and drinking a beer in the shade is not fighting for liberty. It probably makes our founders puke a little in the back of their throat.
Google Lincoln-Douglas debates. Read for about 3 days. Then get back to me about "formal discussion...orderly respectable fashion...etc."
What the debates could do without is the endless commentary by "experts" who think we as a population are too stupid to understand what we just heard.
Anyone who thought for a second that Trump was going to do anything different than he did in the debates 4 years ago needs a lobotomy. Likewise anyone who thinks Plugs Biden, if elected, will see July 4th from this side of the grave needs the same treatment.
We are sheeple. Every. Last. One. Of. Us. We don't have the guts our forefathers had in their little fingers. It doesn't matter who wins. Because, regardless of the outcome, we are another 4 years further away from when men actually stood up and fought for liberty.
And no, running a Gadsden flag up the pole and drinking a beer in the shade is not fighting for liberty. It probably makes our founders puke a little in the back of their throat.
rainjacktx":r12byu36 said:
Yep! Well said rainjack! As for your comments about the art of debating... I guess civility and decorum isn't high up on the priority list in your books. He who yells the loudest and insults the most is best?
I just saw on Fox about the feds arresting members of a militia in Michigan who planned to storm the Capitol building in Lansing... scary times. Several people in the comments are making references to the Founding Father fighting against tyranny and therefore the kidnapping of the Michigan governor is therefore justified. The Founding Fathers did resort to violence, yes. But that was only after they had completely exhausted diplomacy with Great Britain. Michigan's voters need to vote this woman out and elect an official who would better represent them. End of tyranny in Michigan. It's not like Gretchen Whitmer is dictator for life of the state. These so-called Wolverine Watchmen militia are a bunch of idiots.
rainjacktx
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topher800":15tj5jau said:
I would disagree. We have become so acclimated to tyranny that, regardless of who is elected, tyranny rules the day. The only thing that changes is the name on the desk. It's about time people started getting a belly full and rebelling.
I have no problem with the ANTIFA thugs doing what they do, so long as it's okay for innocent property owners to reciprocate with deadly force.
If people want real liberty, it will cost blood. Everything else is just mindless babble.
Funny how this decisiveness, anger, and calls for extreme violence, i.e., blood as rainjack pointed out didn't exist to its current extent under Obama, George the Younger, Slick Willie, George the Elder, Ronnie, etc.,
You'd have to go back a long, long way to find these same feelings in American society.
MAGA! 4 MORE YEARS!
You'd have to go back a long, long way to find these same feelings in American society.
MAGA! 4 MORE YEARS!
TebowTime15
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While I do not agree with either of you 100%, I concur with rainjacks about standing up for liberty but have always believed it can be done peacefully. I also think Donald Trump has done a lot of good in returning our country to its core values.
This mail in ballot thing, however, has a 1860 election feel to it. Honestly, it may not matter who wins on election night because mail in ballots will keep coming in weeks after the election ends. Will either side accept the results, especially the Democrats with a potential Justice Barrett on the Supreme Court?
I hope I am wrong, but rainjacks looks more right than at any other time in my lifetime.
Ps to Topher: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dni-br ... mo-clinton
This mail in ballot thing, however, has a 1860 election feel to it. Honestly, it may not matter who wins on election night because mail in ballots will keep coming in weeks after the election ends. Will either side accept the results, especially the Democrats with a potential Justice Barrett on the Supreme Court?
I hope I am wrong, but rainjacks looks more right than at any other time in my lifetime.
Ps to Topher: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dni-br ... mo-clinton
rainjacktx
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topher800":2hnhkx2m said:
To blame Trump is the height of intellectual dishonesty.
Did I say I was blaming Trump? I just think he's fanned the flames so much over the past 4 years that the smoldering embers finally lit.... but those so-called embers had been hot for a long time before him. The disconnect between the elite and masses has gotten so vast that people are now turning to extreme violence because its the only way they will ever be heard. A very, very, very dark and sad state of affiars.
The mail in ballot thing is just plain dumb. Fraud in the tens of millions as Trump proports is a ridiculous notion and a desperate ploy to seed doubt in the hearts and minds of America. Regardless of whoever wins, neither side will stop trying to prove the illegitimacy of the election. That puke Pelosi and her crew of crap disturbers will continue to harass Trump if he wins. If Biden wins, Trump and his merry band of crap disturbers will refuse to accept the outcome and god knows what will happen.
I did see that about Crooked Hllary. Not doubt she would pull out all the stops back in 2016 to make sure she sat in the same seat her husband once did. I'd trust her as far as I could throw Chris Christie. She should be in jail for a lifetime of deceit.
The mail in ballot thing is just plain dumb. Fraud in the tens of millions as Trump proports is a ridiculous notion and a desperate ploy to seed doubt in the hearts and minds of America. Regardless of whoever wins, neither side will stop trying to prove the illegitimacy of the election. That puke Pelosi and her crew of crap disturbers will continue to harass Trump if he wins. If Biden wins, Trump and his merry band of crap disturbers will refuse to accept the outcome and god knows what will happen.
I did see that about Crooked Hllary. Not doubt she would pull out all the stops back in 2016 to make sure she sat in the same seat her husband once did. I'd trust her as far as I could throw Chris Christie. She should be in jail for a lifetime of deceit.
TebowTime15
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It doesn't have to be 10,000 of votes as close as these elections have been recently. Since the 1996 election, every single election has been super close. If you give the losers, Gore, Kerry, McCain, Romney, and Hillary, a few thousand votes in the right states, maybe even less than that in extreme cases like Gore, they win their respective elections.
This election may be closer than any of them considering the disdain for Trump, Biden's speech problems, and the current crazy issues. While there might be a debate about the level of cheating that occurs because of mail in ballots, Trump is 1000% right that it could influence the election way more than Russian ads on Facebook.
Who decides if a ballot counts or not? It will end up being the Supreme Court as the declared loser in a battle ground state sues that state. There will be as many as 10 cases going on at once. The side that loses will declare the winner illegitimate.
Basically, it will be a huge mess. If Biden loses, I guess the rioting will start back up and COVID will spread. If Trump loses, he may not leave the Whitehouse. In that situation, there will probably be rioting in Washington D.C.
Feel free to correct me if you think I am wrong somewhere, but you know deep down this mail in ballot idea was a very bad one. I pray we, the people, survive all this craziness.
This election may be closer than any of them considering the disdain for Trump, Biden's speech problems, and the current crazy issues. While there might be a debate about the level of cheating that occurs because of mail in ballots, Trump is 1000% right that it could influence the election way more than Russian ads on Facebook.
Who decides if a ballot counts or not? It will end up being the Supreme Court as the declared loser in a battle ground state sues that state. There will be as many as 10 cases going on at once. The side that loses will declare the winner illegitimate.
Basically, it will be a huge mess. If Biden loses, I guess the rioting will start back up and COVID will spread. If Trump loses, he may not leave the Whitehouse. In that situation, there will probably be rioting in Washington D.C.
Feel free to correct me if you think I am wrong somewhere, but you know deep down this mail in ballot idea was a very bad one. I pray we, the people, survive all this craziness.
That paints a pretty grim picture of next month... sobering.
I think mail in ballots are a terrible idea but its how its been done for more than a 100 years and there doesn't seem to ever have been a major issue.
It may not be as close as you say, people talk big but then don't actually go vote. Trump in 2016 was way way way down in most polls and he pulled out a stunning victory over Clinton. I guess we'll see in a few weeks
I think mail in ballots are a terrible idea but its how its been done for more than a 100 years and there doesn't seem to ever have been a major issue.
It may not be as close as you say, people talk big but then don't actually go vote. Trump in 2016 was way way way down in most polls and he pulled out a stunning victory over Clinton. I guess we'll see in a few weeks
TebowTime15
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I would say one of three scenarios will happen: A. Trump wins big; B. Biden wins a super close election; C. The Supreme Court declares Trump the winner in a partisan vote.
Joe forgot why he has his mask on - https://twitter.com/SteveGuest/status/1 ... 1368964098
lololol you can't make this stuff up...
lololol you can't make this stuff up...
FCSA - You know how we were talking about the War of 1812... man, Canada really isn't that important. Tucker Carlson can't even pronounce our capital, Ottawa, correctly! lolol
https://twitter.com/AndrewFeinberg/stat ... 2023810048
I wish this was in jest... but it ain't!! I take a lot of abuse on here and rightly so being a commie pinko Canuckle but holy moly, c'mon Tucker!!! That's just ignorant on a whole new level....
I love how there are people in the thread saying it is the aboriginal way to pronounce it. As someone who had close aboriginal friends growing up who spoke the language, this is NOT the correct pronunciation. That is just supporters making excuses for the moron Tucker Carlson who can't say Canada's capital correctly.
https://twitter.com/AndrewFeinberg/stat ... 2023810048
I wish this was in jest... but it ain't!! I take a lot of abuse on here and rightly so being a commie pinko Canuckle but holy moly, c'mon Tucker!!! That's just ignorant on a whole new level....
I love how there are people in the thread saying it is the aboriginal way to pronounce it. As someone who had close aboriginal friends growing up who spoke the language, this is NOT the correct pronunciation. That is just supporters making excuses for the moron Tucker Carlson who can't say Canada's capital correctly.
