Mr. Trump

[TebowTime15]

Since Topher is ignoring your good points, FSCA, I'll add a bit to your substantive post.

1. While I agree with you about the economic hardship that could arise if Biden wins (Trump will probably hide "the magic wand" Obama claimed was a prerequisite for economic success) the market seems to be currently hanging in there. Although COVID is a big concern economically, the craziness of the left is a weird amalgamation of the European Dark Ages and the Chinese Cultural Revolution that does not bode well for economics. I wonder if Biden told Wall Street to ignore his nutty rhetoric? It's either that or Wall Street believes the polls are fake news because, going off of mainstream polls, Biden is going to win fairly easily. Either way, their reaction is very interesting.

2. Unlike Uncle Lyndon, JFK was at least a good guy and tough on communism, something I am a big fan of historically. Although I am no expert at all, I have heard/been told Kennedy was really good at playing the room. He would sound conservative, and you are right really conservative, when it suited him while talking about Camelot and sounding liberal when it suited him. Not saying you are wrong at all as I wasn't even alive then; heck, my mom was not alive when Kennedy beat Nixon in the uber close 1960 election.

Ps. Ronald Reagan voted for FDR 4 times and said the Democrats left him by the 1980s when he became the greatest conservative president since Calvin Coolidge.

 

[topher800]

Since Topher is ignoring your good points, FSCA, I'll add a bit to your substantive post.

1. While I agree with you about the economic hardship that could arise if Biden wins (Trump will probably hide "the magic wand" Obama claimed was a prerequisite for economic success) the market seems to be currently hanging in there. Although COVID is a big concern economically, the craziness of the left is a weird amalgamation of the European Dark Ages and the Chinese Cultural Revolution that does not bode well for economics. I wonder if Biden told Wall Street to ignore his nutty rhetoric? It's either that or Wall Street believes the polls are fake news because, going off of mainstream polls, Biden is going to win fairly easily. Either way, their reaction is very interesting.

2. Unlike Uncle Lyndon, JFK was at least a good guy and tough on communism, something I am a big fan of historically. Although I am no expert at all, I have heard/been told Kennedy was really good at playing the room. He would sound conservative, and you are right really conservative, when it suited him while talking about Camelot and sounding liberal when it suited him. Not saying you are wrong at all as I wasn't even alive then; heck, my mom was not alive when Kennedy beat Nixon in the uber close 1960 election.

Ps. Ronald Reagan voted for FDR 4 times and said the Democrats left him by the 1980s when he became the greatest conservative president since Calvin Coolidge.

I disagree with the doom and gloom of FCSA's post should the Dems win so I don't really see the point in talking about it. FCSA and I are friends now dontcha know?!?! ** high fives FCSA **

Chinese Cultural Revolution? You watch too much OAN. I warned you about that lol Think of the old Russian proverb that Reagan used, "trust but verify" ... most of the crap on CNN and OAN, no one can verify because its spun so many times to suit their agendas.

I wasn't alive when Kennedy was in power either but I'll give you that he could play a room esp. filled with beautiful women... lolol... but when the chips were down in Vienna in '61, he had a tough time with Khruschev but that was probably down to the Soviet leader having much more experience than Jack. I will agree with you that Reagan was a wonderful conservative president. He was definitely a GOP candidate who I would have voted for in 1980/1984. LBJ gets a bad rap especially in the south for a few reasons however he kept the troops in Vietnam fighting the communists where JFK ***may*** have not stayed so long in southeast Asia if he had won a second term in '64. Was he as tough on the Soviet Union and China as he could have been? Of course not, but his plate was full with the war in Indochina and the unrest in the United States in the 1960s.

 

[SWRaider]

“Thoughts and prayers”

 

[oldergoat]

I was alive when Kennedy was elected. Remember people saying that a Catholic could never be elected President. I think he would have done some good things, but not sure we would have wanted 24 years of Kennedys in the WH. LBJ was one of the worst Presidents ever. Yes he kept us in Nam so his buddies could make millions on the war effort. Reagan was an exception to the “get re-elected” rule. He went into office with one thing in mind and that was to fix all the bad that Carter had done. His 2nd term was more about keeping the party in charge. Trump has been more like Reagan in things he has gotten done. Don’t always agree with some of the things he says or does but his policies have made a hugh difference for the country.

 

[FCSA football]

LBJ was a Liberals Liberal. Go back and see his “Great Society” program. We are still seeing and feeling it’s results today.
LBJ made fathers, especially minority fathers redundant, unwanted and no longer needed. “Uncle Sugar” became the provider, the “breadwinner”. You would probably be pretty unhappy too if you found out someone had stolen your family by promising and providing them with the same things you had worked for to provide for them yourself. Go back, check and analyze the numbers and you’ll see the beginning of the end of families and the disintegration of our morals, our roots, our character and self respect.
LBJ and the Democrats started on the road of where we are today.

 

[topher800]

So essentially LBJ's "Great Society" program was as successful as Reagan's "War on Drugs" program?

 

[TebowTime15]

Chinese Cultural Revolution? You watch too much OAN. I warned you about that lol Think of the old Russian proverb that Reagan used, "trust but verify" ... most of the crap on CNN and OAN, no one can verify because its spun so many times to suit their agendas.

By the way, they are still rioting in Portland! Trump may have some shortcomings, but anyone that votes for a party that allows people to be violent for two months simply because they agree with them is crazy. Any government should "establish justice, ensure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, ensure the blessings of liberty" rather than selectively enforcing the law. Topher will have some equivocation, but that is the truth. Trump follows the Preamble to the Constitution and the Democrats do not, period, end of statement.

As far as Lyndon, I think one of the worst myths in U.S. History, it is even a STAAR Test Objective, is that the Great Society somehow remains a part of the Civil Rights Movement. Like FCSA said, the Great Society hurt all families including minority families. In my opinion, Lyndon is the second worst president behind Woodrow Wilson.

 

[smokeyjoe53]

My money is still on Millard Fillmore for worst president............

 

[topher800]

James Buchanan, though Millard stunk up the joint as well

 

[oldergoat]

All LBJ did was expanded what FDR started. They both rank very high on a list of bad presidents.

 

[topher800]

All LBJ did was expanded what FDR started. They both rank very high on a list of bad presidents.

Gotta help ol' ignorant Topher on this one.... explain the FDR start please

 

[FCSA football]

“The New Deal”, FDR, the only President to serve more than two terms, no telling how many he would have served if he hadn’t died in office.
You are right LBJ carried on the FDR legacy of “Father Replacement”. It so targeted the “little people”. You know, those unwashed, ignorance masses that Pelosi, Schumer, Biden et al, watch on their security system cameras while they are behind the walls of their compounds protected by Armed Guards.
I was living and working in Venezuela during the 80’s and 90’s. It was the richest country in South America with the oldest democracy. Then Chavez came in promising pretty much what the Leftist Democrat party is promising now.
Now, 20 years after Chavez took over the country is in shambles. People are dying more from starvation, than COVID-19. Their currency, once the strongest in South America is less than worthless. Their inflation rate is beyond belief. I watched this beautiful country die because of the same kind of Populists Promises being heard today.
Yes FDR started it, LBJ promoted it and Biden, Pelosi, Bernie, AOC and the gang plan to deliver.
Go back a few pages and read my post. It’s more of a Promise of what can happen, not a prediction.
Go back and read the history of Venezuela from 1980 thu Chavez’s election untynow.
I’ve seen this movie before, I know how it ends.

 

[topher800]

Uhhhh FDR's plan in the 30s was put into place to offset the depression. LBJ was about racial injustice? You can't lump everything that attempts to help the impoverished together as doom and gloom socialism. That's like comparing Reagan's policies on the USSR with Trump's on Russia.

 

[TebowTime15]

I have understood why people rag on Franklin Pierce and James Buchanan. While I am not saying they are great by any means, what could they have done to stop the Civil War? Give me one policy change they could have made that would have prevented the southern states from leaving the union. As far as Fillmore, I do not remember any specifics as to why people think he was a bad president. Honestly, he was a Whig at a time when the Democrats controlled big majorities in Congress and the Supreme Court, about 10 to 15 years before the Civil War.

In contrast to them, Woodrow Wilson was by far the most racist president ever (by the way, he had a PhD in political science) and totally botched World War I. If he either stays out of World War I or makes sure Germany gets a decent deal after the war, I am confident World War II and the Cold War never happen. Instead, he focused on the trivial League of Nations, the precursor to today's ineffective United Nations, and let England and France mistreat Germany. Everyone knows the result of this decision but many remain ignorant about the cause.

Oldergoat is right that LBJ "expanded" FDR's New Deal, but I think the New Deal is a lot more understandable given the context of the Great Depression. Some of the government agencies today, like the Federal Aviation Administration, serve a very non-political purpose, making sure we do not die on airplanes, that helps Americans. To contrast, LBJ started the modern Democrats movement towards free stuff for the less fortunate that continues to this day. During FDR's presidency, everyone needed help of some kind.

I am not 100% defending FDR, and his foreign-policy with the Soviet Union was horrible, but I do think he is a better president than Wilson, Lyndon J, or Carter. Basically, we would be a much better country today if liberals today truly looked up to FDR as his vision of America was not nearly as radical as the current vision. For instance, I do not think FDR would have supported open borders.

 

[topher800]

Buchanan, there was no need for him to go after the Mormons in Utah. Not when financial institutions were closing by the hundreds and civil war was coming. Stupid stuff like that where his absolute lack of common sense and leadership shone through.

Dont know much about Woody Wilson. WIll go read later about him. FDR didn't need to support open borders, Americans were willing to work hard, tough jobs back in the 30s/40s. Not so much any more. We're the same way up here, except there are virtually no Mexican immigrants in Canada. Our labour force that keeps the country going comes from either the Phillippines or the Indian subcontinent.

As for FDR and LBJ, why is it that things such as welfare or programs that help out especially impoverished minorities are considered by conservatives to be "bad" yet programs like schools feeding poor children and their families in rural schools is considered okay. The picking and choosing is fascinating to me because there is no picking and choosing here. Its all just free cause again, pinko Marxist commie Canuckle-land

 

[TebowTime15]

Buchanan, there was no need for him to go after the Mormons in Utah. Not when financial institutions were closing by the hundreds and civil war was coming. Stupid stuff like that where his absolute lack of common sense and leadership shone through.

That's a fair point that I agree with, but the Mormons have NOTHING to do with the Civil War. Most people blame Pierce and Buchanan for "doing nothing," but what could they have done? That's assuming they wanted to "do something" because they were both Democrats.

Dont know much about Woody Wilson. WIll go read later about him. FDR didn't need to support open borders, Americans were willing to work hard, tough jobs back in the 30s/40s. Not so much any more. We're the same way up here, except there are virtually no Mexican immigrants in Canada. Our labour force that keeps the country going comes from either the Phillippines or the Indian subcontinent.

This is such a stupid argument. Americans are willing to work hard but cannot, both legally or economically, work for the wages paid to immigrants in the U.S. or Canada.

As for FDR and LBJ, why is it that things such as welfare or programs that help out especially impoverished minorities are considered by conservatives to be "bad" yet programs like schools feeding poor children and their families in rural schools is considered okay. The picking and choosing is fascinating to me because there is no picking and choosing here. Its all just free cause again, pinko Marxist commie Canuckle-land

That is the heart of what I am saying is the difference between FDR and LBJ. FDR wanted a safety net to help people who failed economically based on the Prussian model created by Bismarck. Safety nets like welfare were intended to be stop gaps, meaning 99.9% of people in those programs would go back to work eventually. LBJ started the "lifetime welfare" users, increased immigration, and created dependency on government. While I am all for helping people who have failed economically, it needs to be a low enough amount where people will still have incentive to get back out there and get a job.

 

[topher800]

Yah all those fifth generation Americans fighting for dishwashing jobs and gas station graveyard shifts. It is just fact that new immigrants from around the world have always filled those tough jobs in Anerica. A stupid argument would be to suggest otherwise.

I didn't say the Mormons had anything to do with the civil war, I said that Buchanan priorities were completely off.

The strange phenomenon of the American dream being attainable by anyone through hard work died a long time ago. Of course, that doesn't mean that many Americans still think it's true and/or wish that it was... but that's not the reality. Yes, a certain % of the population will abuse social welfare programs but that's the case in anything in our world. What is a constant is that red and blue will never come together to form a cohesive hue.

 

[TebowTime15]

Yah all those fifth generation Americans fighting for dishwashing jobs and gas station graveyard shifts. It is just fact that new immigrants from around the world have always filled those tough jobs in Anerica. A stupid argument would be to suggest otherwise.

What part of an American cannot have a job like that, both legally and economically, do you not understand? The first reason is it would be illegal for a company to pay an American citizen less than minimum wage. In our litigious society, employers would be fools to hire an American and pay them less than minimum wage. If we would just enforce our borders and crack down on companies that hire illegally, Americans would be washing dishes within the United States. Although washing dishes may not be anyone's dream job, a lot of American men would love to work construction, in the oil field, and industries dominated by currently immigrates. You do have to tip your hat to the immigrates who come here and live with a several people in a one bedroom apartment. Most Americans could not and/or would not do that. Eventually, those immigrates make enough money to become middle class Americans. Sounds like the American dream to me!

Why do immigrates keep coming to the United States if the American dream is dead? I am sure Canada is much more "inclusive!"

PS. I do not think something as trivial to most people as treating the Mormons wrong makes Buchanan the worst president ever. You are entitled to your opinion, however.

 

[topher800]

Must be the weekend, those critical thinking skills are faltering on your part Tebow.

 

[TebowTime15]

Lol! I accept your surrender, Topher.