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Several ppl tweeting this... follow @corbettsmithDMN if you are interested. Tough to follow some of the info, but it seems that 6A has been created for 2014...

also an amendment has been added that will affect charter schools....

RT @corbettsmithDMN: Same amendment creating 6A also forces charters to play in the smallest class of its home attendance district. Could be disastrous for some
 
I believe this will be the end of some sports at these schools.... No way the Harmony schools in Lubbock, Bryan or El Paso play 5A. Maybe Lubbock has a 3A still... Other Metro-area schools in trouble.
 
RT @TopOTxFootball: We understand 6A is basically a shift in the overall naming structure. 6-Man becomes 1A, and everything else moves up a classification.
 
RT @TopOTxFootball: Yeah, you're not alone RT @sixmanguru: a bit confused. what would happen to Harmony charter schools? Lubbock, Bryan, EP
 
death to team sports
RT @corbettsmithDMN: @TopOTxFootball @sixmanguru Lubbock charter would be forced into 3A, Bryan's to 5A.
 
Coach Avants":m2uq3mxc said:
This seems to me a preemptive strike by the UIL on the whole voucher discussion.
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possibly... I also think this makes the charters rethink their overall athletic strategy and maybe more.... some may just choose to go the way of San Antonio Health Careers did initially (magnet), which was to focus on 'lifetime' sports - tennis, swimming, golf, track
 
Haven't posted much about this, but there is a proposal that UIL and some private schools (through a "trade group" called Texas Assoc. of Nonpublic Schools) are floating to set up a UIL private school division, basically as a stop-gap if TAPPS loses a lot of members (which I think is doubtful at this time).

The division is supposed to have its own rules (one source told me they were basically going to take the TAPPS manual and do a "find and replace" for TAPPS with UIL) and is supposed to be "self-supporting." My gut instinct is that self-supporting means that schools would find their fees jump about 2-3 times that they pay to TAPPS AND that there would be a large number of private schools who want NOTHING to do with what is perceived as a "government agency" that might, at some time, change rules to be difficult for private schools to compete.

Another of my sources tell me that UIL would like to use this division to "park" the charter schools.

But five'll get you ten that the source of this debate is our old friend, Prime Prep.
 
If this UIL rule passes concerning charter schools, I expect that most of them will be leaving UIL. Few have been competitive in UIL sports and either they will discontinue their athletic program or find another organization for them to compete.

TAPPS does not accept charter schools (as they are tax-supported and ineligible for membership). TCAL would be the most logical as they have actively encouraged charter school memberships. TCAF has at least one charter school in its membership.

There is also another group, the Texas Charter School Academic & Athletic League, based in Austin, but has not been very active in athletic leagues. I could see some charter schools looking at this option.

I also would not be suprised to see a court challenge by the charter schools to the UIL if this rule passes.

The other question would be if UIL would waive its rule under Section 1208-v-1 (Contests With Non-participating Schools. A defeat by a non-participating Texas public high school shall eliminate a school so defeated from the district race). This would limit charter schools to playing only private or other charter schools, and for folks like Lubbock Harmony, make athletic participation virtually impossible.
 
best tweet so far on this whole thing...

RT @Tepper: UIL's ruling on charter schools, analogized: Deion Sanders set up an ant hill, so they're taking a flamethrower to the whole lawn.
 
If I'm reading the committee report correctly, it looks like the six-man cutoff will be moved up to 104.9 for the next realignment.

SCHOOLS WITH AN ENROLLMENT OF 104.9 OR LOWER MAY CHOOSE
TO PARTICIPATE IN SIX-MAN FOOTBALL (CONFERENCE A) OR MAY
OPT TO PLAY ELEVEN-MAN FOOTBALL (CONFERENCE AA) BUT
REMAIN IN THE SMALLER CONFERENCE FOR OTHER APPLICABLE
ACTIVITIES.
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Was listening to Dr. Cousins of UIL on the Friday football show on Fox Sports SW and I'm really confused.

According to the new plan, charter schools would have to compete in the lowest UIL district of their service area. Okay, so let's just say a hypothecal "Seguin Charter Academy" has a high school sports program. Under this rule, if they wanted to participate in UIL, it would be in 4A, since the Seguin ISD is a 4A district (although it has ping-ponged from 5A to 4A to 5A and now back to 4A in the past four cycles).

But Doc Cousins talked about how the UIL would recognize extenuating circumstances, which sounds like there is a lot of leeway to possibly reclassify a charter school in a smaller classification. Now how's that gonna work?

I haven't seen where charter schools have been very successful in UIL sports programs, although the oft-discussed possible advantages that a charter school (read: Deion's "Prime Prep") could have exist either in theory or in the imagination of a lot of Texas public school coaches.

But right now, if I were a charter school in UIL, I'd be planning to play in another league or an independent schedule in 2014-2015 if the original stated rule goes into effect. Or dropping my sports program.
 
At Buffalo Pete
Disclaimer Notice: This is only a rough estimate based on last years ADA found on the TEA website.
There are 4 schools that currently play 11 man that are between the 99.5 and 104.5 numbers:
Springlake Earth 103, Bronte 103, Nueces Canyon 103, and Medina 102. There are some that are close: Cross Plains 106, Falls City 109, and Agua Dulce 109. I couldn't find any information on the TEA website on D'Hanis or Texas Leadership Charter Academy.
I don't think the 104.5 number will have much effect.
 
Actually, I was looking at the rule change from the standpoint that a few schools might be able to stay 6-man for the next re-alignment instead of going to 11-man.

Water Valley somehow turned in a number less than 99.9 to the UIL for this last alignment, but their enrollment appears to still be growing.
 
I think the charter school issue was actually more of a basketball issue.

TRIPLE A Academy is a charter school in the metroplex. Basically an AAU team turned into a charter school. Head guy of the school is the AAU coach whose son is a legit 5 star recruit - with all freshman and sophs playing an "outlaw" schedule last year against 5A and 4A teams they went 25-6 or something similar. Three of their players are in the ESPN top 100 for their grade level.

Once the charter school got up and running, they were put in the UIL....as a A Division I school because they have 150 or so students. (like every A school, 8 of their 150 students are Division I basketball recruits, right?)

They are the preseason #1 team in A-I according to TABC. They could probably make a run at the 3A or 4A title. Basketball coaches have been up in arms about this for the last year or so. Deion's charter school - Prime Prep - is similar, but not as ready to make a serious run at a state title. Prime Prep has been hurt because of the influx of students, again DI basketball recruits, from Arlington Grace Prep. Several have been ruled ineligble.

It is a very tangle web. I think the idea that they can grant some exceptions is good to protect a school like TLCA in San Angelo that is just a competitive A school in all their sports that would have to either drop sports or compete in 4A to match Lake View. But enough people complained that they are going to do something about situations like AAA academy.
 
Unfortunately this doesn't go into effect until 2014, so for the next 2 years, AAA Academy should dominate 1A Division 1 bball. I do agree with the ruling, however.
 
you all know there is a ton of discussion when it comes to realignment and how kids are counted or not counted year in and year out,,,, here is my 1st question how many schools that were selected to be in the large sixman have fielded there football team for the year? ______ same question for the small schools? _______
the teams that are affected are only the ones at this cutoff number and if i understand correctly it is intended to have as close as possible equal numbers in both and every year the small schools end up with several dropping out or not even fielding a team.
why dont they just have their own division instead of this issue ie all small schools be min of 6 to max 55 and lg 56-99.5
and those that turn in wrong numbers ... that the school be banned from all UIL and administration fired.
and have only one way to count and that all schools have it the same. it is amazing how many people who tell how their own towns and schools have manipulated the numbers. if we continue to have a large and small division why not have them as their own so instead of six there would be 12?

lots of questions but how it is handled by the UIL makes me wonder if its being run by some liberal politician?
where it could be handled simply with a KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid)

what do you'll think???
 

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