Do yoy guys believe that it is not ethical to exchange game film with someone that played someone that you are goimg to be playing. I have found some coaches that get upset that you get film on them from someone else. They much rather that you swap film with each other. I feel that if im trying to ge an upper hand on an opponent i wouldnt give my opponent my film. That would defeat the purpose of getting the upper hand. Now if they go out and work to find film then the have earned that chance of getting an upper hand. Whaat do yall think of that.
Exchanging game film
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coachlife":4bake61s said:
If an opposing coach asks, then I have no problem exchanging with them. But why would I contact a team I am going to play, when I can exchange film with a 3rd party coach. I help them and they help me....
Why would I intentionally help someone I am playing when there are other options?
freeagent
Six-man pro
Not sure what the UIL rules are concerning video exchange, but here are the TAPPS rules:
http://tapps.net/PDF/Constitution/Athle ... ilming.pdf
Basically, you are not supposed to film a contest where your team is not participating NOR are you to exchange films that don't include your school. For example, if I'm coaching at Podunk Prep, I'm not supposed to trade that East Bug Tussle Christian vs Pope Francis I Catholic game I got (hey, Pope Frank's a new school, and I found out there really is a Bug Tussle in Texas ... two words).
We do have a district exchange rule ... two films from the previous three weeks (for example, if I play you week 5, we exchange week 2 & week 3 films; if I took week 2 as a bye it would be weeks 1 & 3 games). In a perfect world, everybody would trade fair and square with each other and there wouldn't be a "competitive edge" on who got film from whom. But hey, I had a chat a few weeks ago with a friend who used to film his school's crowded field games. His HFC complained that he did too good a job filming and they started having two people film games -- my friend for his HFC and another less qualified videographer who was in charge of making the "trading copy."
Now, not sure how common this is among our public school friends, but some of us in TAPPS have a "don't rat on your family" rule in district. I am not permitted to provide video or a scouting report on any of my fellow district schools to teams that are or could be playing them in the playoffs. The idea is to give our fellow district teams every advantage we can so that as many district teams advance as possible. TAPPS does require teams in the playoffs to share 3 game films and the opponent gets to pick the games, so that rule overrides our district rule if the opponent requests films of my team against other district opponents in the playoffs (and yes, those would be the films I'd probably ask for myself).
We're talking in our district about getting a subscription to Hudl or one of the other on-line services and having everyone in district (7 schools) load their games on the service. It would take away one of the fun parts of film exchange -- meeting folks at various convenience stores or restaurants to trade films. Heck, I remember one time that we arranged to tape the film to the back of a parking lot sign. I felt like a CIA operative.
http://tapps.net/PDF/Constitution/Athle ... ilming.pdf
Basically, you are not supposed to film a contest where your team is not participating NOR are you to exchange films that don't include your school. For example, if I'm coaching at Podunk Prep, I'm not supposed to trade that East Bug Tussle Christian vs Pope Francis I Catholic game I got (hey, Pope Frank's a new school, and I found out there really is a Bug Tussle in Texas ... two words).
We do have a district exchange rule ... two films from the previous three weeks (for example, if I play you week 5, we exchange week 2 & week 3 films; if I took week 2 as a bye it would be weeks 1 & 3 games). In a perfect world, everybody would trade fair and square with each other and there wouldn't be a "competitive edge" on who got film from whom. But hey, I had a chat a few weeks ago with a friend who used to film his school's crowded field games. His HFC complained that he did too good a job filming and they started having two people film games -- my friend for his HFC and another less qualified videographer who was in charge of making the "trading copy."
Now, not sure how common this is among our public school friends, but some of us in TAPPS have a "don't rat on your family" rule in district. I am not permitted to provide video or a scouting report on any of my fellow district schools to teams that are or could be playing them in the playoffs. The idea is to give our fellow district teams every advantage we can so that as many district teams advance as possible. TAPPS does require teams in the playoffs to share 3 game films and the opponent gets to pick the games, so that rule overrides our district rule if the opponent requests films of my team against other district opponents in the playoffs (and yes, those would be the films I'd probably ask for myself).
We're talking in our district about getting a subscription to Hudl or one of the other on-line services and having everyone in district (7 schools) load their games on the service. It would take away one of the fun parts of film exchange -- meeting folks at various convenience stores or restaurants to trade films. Heck, I remember one time that we arranged to tape the film to the back of a parking lot sign. I felt like a CIA operative.
smokeyjoe53
Six-man pro
You'd want to be extra careful when exchanging film with Doggy...............
you don't want to get any of his "special" movies..........................
you don't want to get any of his "special" movies..........................
jc_30
In memoriam
I know for the most part in our district we trade with every team and we pick the films. If you can more lim on a certain team that is the name of the game. We ended getting 4films on a team before we traded with them.
coachsatcher
Six-man fan
I have a simple rule of thumb. If someone asks for film and their opponent is not someone in your district, you trade! If their opponent is a team in your district, you respect your district enough to decline. So many people get nervous about trading film, but it only shows what you have done in the past. Most teams will have only four days to game plan, so it's not like they have a 12 person coaching staff watching for tendencies by your skill players. Someone is going to give them film anyway, so you might as well get something in return. Our schedules are posted online and our contact information goes out before the season begins. Trade the film, because you never know when you're going to need help from that same coach later in life.
High Plains Drifter
11-man fan
There used to be a head coach who is now in HOF who wore thick glasses. When you got a film from him it was always badly out of focus. Never did figure out if he did it on purpose or if it looked normal to him. Ha
Dogface
Six-man fan
Actually,
being the efficiency expert that I am,
doing away with the whole wasted Sat. (family time)
for film exchange
is at the top of my list
of things that a family man/coach
shouldn't do.
Then,
the boys should mow the field as a warm up activity.
jus sayin'.
being the efficiency expert that I am,
doing away with the whole wasted Sat. (family time)
for film exchange
is at the top of my list
of things that a family man/coach
shouldn't do.
Then,
the boys should mow the field as a warm up activity.
jus sayin'.
lifegatesports":i15mhyth said:
Our conference up here (NCAA D-III Crowded Field, so I don't know how relevant it is) went to having everyone use Hudl in a way that sounds similar to what you're talking about doing for the first time this year. We have a conference exchange pool set up. Every team in our conference has to upload every game they play, O/D/K it and provide basic breakdown data (down, distance, yd line, play type and gain/loss). Games have to be up by midnight Sunday and the pool is set up so that you can't download a game unless you've uploaded one. We also set minimum film standards (HD cameras, film starts before the snap, 2 intercut angles, etc...). In a 10 team conference, we only had 2 schools not meet expectations (both used SD cameras and 1 was always late getting film up) and a 3rd that tended not to put in breakdown data if they lost. That's pretty good for a first year.
Hudl has taken about 10 different services that small college football was using, combined it into one, and reduced the cost significantly ($1,400/yr for Gold + $95/yr for practice scripts). We were able to edit film (replaced DSV- $2,995/yr), exchange film (replaced Dragonfly- $12,000/yr + $6,000/yr for tech support), create practice scripts (replaced Playmaker Pro- $200/copy), share practice film, create tendency reports, scouting reports and highlights and share everything with our players.
It's also been a big help with recruiting. A coach can just send me a link to his team's Hudl page and I can watch all of his players' highlights in one central location. It's a big time saver versus having to track down individual YouTube videos and keeps players from having to pay to have their highlight videos edited or have highlight DVDs made, all they have to do is star their highlights and spend 10 minutes editing the video and they have something to send to college coaches. More kids getting more film to more coaches for less money is always a good thing because it means less kids will get missed by recruiters.
If you (or anyone else) has any more specific questions about the Hudl exchange, I'll be happy to answer them as well as I can. The best thing about it is that it's instant and it saves a lot of early morning drives to exchange film.
