Coaches and Contracts

Edward Golden

Six-man fan
This is a question just for discussion...no bashing or finger pointing please.

How do you feel about coaches taking jobs then leaving for other jobs?

Here is our problem from a school district standpoint....When we hire a coach in say April we quit looking for that position. If the coach continues to look for better opportunities and then leaves in June, the school district is put in a very bad position..

What do you think???
 
I'd suggest not throwing away/deleting those other resumes. Maybe that second choice is starting to look a whole lot better than he/she did before.

Sure, you'd like to think it ain't gonna happen to you, but it does. And not just in coaching/teaching.
 
Edward Golden":2o27ml1u said:
This is a question just for discussion...no bashing or finger pointing please.

How do you feel about coaches taking jobs then leaving for other jobs?

Here's what I think.

Mr. Public Educator, Are you still at your first job?
 
I have been at my 2nd school for 26 years. When I left my first school I told them if this opened I would leave and it did open that summer....So basically yes.


Also Mr. South

I am not talking about changing jobs, I am asking about agreeing to a job then taking another job before you begin..
 
my 2cents

I think that anytime some one signs a contract they should honor it unless there have been situations that lead to a need to void the contract. ie ethics issues, not being honest on the application, or moral issues.. to continue i think that the school board that takes a professional back into the system that has shown the lack of truthfulness is allowing a dishonest person access to young learning minds therefore they should be removed for failing to place a proper educator into their system...
 
kbjoe1":3rx3ojv9 said:
my 2cents

I think that anytime some one signs a contract they should honor it unless there have been situations that lead to a need to void the contract. ie ethics issues, not being honest on the application, or moral issues.. to continue i think that the school board that takes a professional back into the system that has shown the lack of truthfulness is allowing a dishonest person access to young learning minds therefore they should be removed for failing to place a proper educator into their system...

Okay, let's just toss guys like that into prison for lack of truthfulness. If that becomes an incarceratable crime, I'm thinking that this instance will still be at the back of the line behind politicians (both parties), news media, most late-night television infomercial hawkers, shady car and insurance salesmen, and all sorts of folks that will make the prison overcrowding of the 80s and 90s look tame.

Sometimes things change. In the education system, the educator is pretty well more-or-less the indentured servant of the school district that has their name on a contract for the school year. The time frame for most teachers (forget coaches in this instance, for in Texas public schools virtually all coaches are teachers) to change jobs is usually pretty narrow ... April, May, June and a couple weeks in July unless you want to go all in and not sign your contract (if offered) from your current employer. Quit any other time and your district can restrict your employment in your profession elsewhere by notifying TEA.

My experience is in private business, and the legal term is "employment at will," which basically means the boss can toss you out the door at a moment's notice, but you are still free to ply your chosen trade unless there is some sort of anti-competition clause (which, if you're fired, is going to be hard to enforce).

I hate to go all Norma Rae on you, as I'm not a great fan of the union movement, but before we go all crazy about people backing out of jobs or switching to another job after accepting a job elsewhere, there's only one person (well maybe a spouse and family) who is going to look out after your own best interests, and it's yourself.

Do what's best for yourself because (and I can say this from personal experience) the "man" in the corner office (ie, boss) doesn't necessarily have your best interests at heart. And the "man" can be the school board, principal, corporate big wig (or corporate wanna-be-big-wig),business partner, a whole lotta folks.

When those times come where the "man" is on your side, enjoy it. It don't come along all that often.
 
freeagent":2paiabj5 said:
I'd suggest not throwing away/deleting those other resumes. Maybe that second choice is starting to look a whole lot better than he/she did before.

Sure, you'd like to think it ain't gonna happen to you, but it does. And not just in coaching/teaching.
I was jus fixin to say that too!
From an efficiency standpoint
the best thing to do is jus roll w/#2 pick.
Then perhaps even #3 if #2 quits or backs out.
What's the big hairy deal?
Sounds like a no brainer.
Look how many first round draft picks don't pan out in the long run.
What most schools usually do
however,
is start the search process all over again.
If any school has trouble retaining key/quality personnel
they've either made a hiring mistake
or been rude and run the guy off.
The onus is all on the business doing the hiring/employing.
If schools don't like men leaving for a better deal
for their family,
then they should make the guy an offer he can't refuse.
Again,
a no brainer.
 
The tough part, is until they eliminate the July 12th "drop dead date" for contracts, it's tough for small schools to hire in May. Since being in 6-Man, I've seen and heard of too many coaches accepting a job at a small school, only to be offered a position at a bigger school, for more money, and they leave. It's aggravating because I too have been offered higher paying jobs (even as recent as three weeks ago), but I gave my word to the kids and school district that I would be here. I'm honoring my commitment. However, I will no longer pass judgement on others who don't or can't fulfill their obligations.
 
I was offered a job I was the second guy for because the first backed out but had to say no because I had taken a job at another school. I had not signed a contract yet but I gave my word to the school I was going to.
 
Darkace08":1fm4jkiq said:
I was offered a job I was the second guy for because the first backed out but had to say no because I had taken a job at another school. I had not signed a contract yet but I gave my word to the school I was going to.
Wow, what a concept, can we get a mandatory ethics training set up? You could be the key speaker.
 
hornkeeper12":nwvidaht said:
Darkace08":nwvidaht said:
I was offered a job I was the second guy for because the first backed out but had to say no because I had taken a job at another school. I had not signed a contract yet but I gave my word to the school I was going to.
Wow, what a concept, can we get a mandatory ethics training set up? You could be the key speaker.
Yea, not a new concept, but not seen very often these days. (Good for you Darkace08)
"Was a promise really something people kept
Not just something they would say and then forget"

From the song "Grandpa, Tell Me 'Bout the Good Old Days"
 
Sooooo, we are saying there are absolutely no circumstances
that would warrant the dissolution of a contract?
I'm glad I'm retired and don't have to seek work.....
I can't count the number of times customers approached me
about filling their computer or other IT needs only to
Back out at the last minute after parts, etc. had been ordered.
You accept it and move on. You may choose not to do
business with them in the future but you MOVE ON.
 
Darkace08":azqswmqt said:
I was offered a job I was the second guy for because the first backed out but had to say no because I had taken a job at another school. I had not signed a contract yet but I gave my word to the school I was going to.
Actually,
I had forgotten that this happened to me last yr.
I had given the school a verbal yes,
then a local guy called me to see if I was still available,
I said no.
I went to the first school
and had the worst working experience of my WHOLE LIFE.
I missed out at working locally
and being with my family
plus this yr. at the other school,
there have been HC openings I could have slid right into.
So, next time I'm doing what's right for my family.
Schools don't even bat an eye when they fire a family.
Some of them even seem to enjoy it.
 
You can fix this real easy without all the glitter don't sign a contract till you have discussed it with your family and you are willing to fulfill the contract.... hmmm novel idea..
I love the toss them in prison for being honest,, really ,,do you want to open the can of worms about being honest when they have their name on the dotted line I'm sure that they were not made to sign the document.
I'm supportive of our teachers and coaches, I know it takes a special person but do you really feel like an indentured servant? I challenge you to find someone who actually has had to be in that position to provide for their family and don't even walk in their shoes just talk to them and then come back and describe how your plight is the same
As far as the man yes sir I am the man and there have been times that I have not received compensation for lengths of time but my employees were paid, I have sought other employment to help supplement the business. The man in most small businesses is the last to be compensated but I relish the opportunity that has been afforded me. and it starts and ends with keeping your word.

freeagent":1bjta8vk said:
kbjoe1":1bjta8vk said:
my 2cents

I think that anytime some one signs a contract they should honor it unless there have been situations that lead to a need to void the contract. ie ethics issues, not being honest on the application, or moral issues.. to continue i think that the school board that takes a professional back into the system that has shown the lack of truthfulness is allowing a dishonest person access to young learning minds therefore they should be removed for failing to place a proper educator into their system...

Okay, let's just toss guys like that into prison for lack of truthfulness. If that becomes an incarceratable crime, I'm thinking that this instance will still be at the back of the line behind politicians (both parties), news media, most late-night television infomercial hawkers, shady car and insurance salesmen, and all sorts of folks that will make the prison overcrowding of the 80s and 90s look tame.

Sometimes things change. In the education system, the educator is pretty well more-or-less the indentured servant of the school district that has their name on a contract for the school year. The time frame for most teachers (forget coaches in this instance, for in Texas public schools virtually all coaches are teachers) to change jobs is usually pretty narrow ... April, May, June and a couple weeks in July unless you want to go all in and not sign your contract (if offered) from your current employer. Quit any other time and your district can restrict your employment in your profession elsewhere by notifying TEA.

My experience is in private business, and the legal term is "employment at will," which basically means the boss can toss you out the door at a moment's notice, but you are still free to ply your chosen trade unless there is some sort of anti-competition clause (which, if you're fired, is going to be hard to enforce).

I hate to go all Norma Rae on you, as I'm not a great fan of the union movement, but before we go all crazy about people backing out of jobs or switching to another job after accepting a job elsewhere, there's only one person (well maybe a spouse and family) who is going to look out after your own best interests, and it's yourself.

Do what's best for yourself because (and I can say this from personal experience) the "man" in the corner office (ie, boss) doesn't necessarily have your best interests at heart. And the "man" can be the school board, principal, corporate big wig (or corporate wanna-be-big-wig),business partner, a whole lotta folks.

When those times come where the "man" is on your side, enjoy it. It don't come along all that often.
 
Until TEA takes away an educators ability to change their mind before the July deadline, there will always be people leaving school districts for different reasons. It leaves a bad taste in your mouth, but it is what it is. I believe in the contract, but I also believe my family obligations outweigh any piece of paper. If it were illegal it would be different. However, unethical behavior all depends upon who is passing judgement. My wife went through the interview process at a bigger school district (huge pay raise) and was offered the position. She verbally committed, but hadn't signed. While waiting to sign, our daghter was hospitalized with her juvenile diabetes and Walcott-Rallison Syndrome. We realized there was no way she could travel thirty minutes away from our daughter during school. The school district that offered the job was really upset about her declining to sign the contract after she verbally committed. They had just removed the postings and had sent declining letters to the other applicants. I understand their frustrations, I truly do. However, my wife accepted a contract with me and our kids in the same school district. I guess us putting our daughters health first was unethical; but if this is unethical, then I'll be unethical the rest of my life. They had no clue exactly why she declined; but until you know the whole story, tread lightly on judging someones morals and ethics. I've never shared this story, but felt comfortable enough with the 6-man community to share. Most of us will never know why others make the decisions they do.
 
coachsatcher":30aoldqr said:
Until TEA takes away an educators ability to change their mind before the July deadline, there will always be people leaving school districts for different reasons. It leaves a bad taste in your mouth, but it is what it is. I believe in the contract, but I also believe my family obligations outweigh any piece of paper. If it were illegal it would be different. However, unethical behavior all depends upon who is passing judgement. My wife went through the interview process at a bigger school district (huge pay raise) and was offered the position. She verbally committed, but hadn't signed. While waiting to sign, our daghter was hospitalized with her juvenile diabetes and Walcott-Rallison Syndrome. We realized there was no way she could travel thirty minutes away from our daughter during school. The school district that offered the job was really upset about her declining to sign the contract after she verbally committed. They had just removed the postings and had sent declining letters to the other applicants. I understand their frustrations, I truly do. However, my wife accepted a contract with me and our kids in the same school district. I guess us putting our daughters health first was unethical; but if this is unethical, then I'll be unethical the rest of my life. They had no clue exactly why she declined; but until you know the whole story, tread lightly on judging someones morals and ethics. I've never shared this story, but felt comfortable enough with the 6-man community to share. Most of us will never know why others make the decisions they do.
Get a rope...............
 
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