Why/when did 45'ing teams become so popular

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Why/when did 45'ing teams become so popular

Postby bigbadwolf » Mon Jan 01, 2018 9:18 am

Back when I played 6 man ball in the 80's (1985-1988) you were a low life team if you actually "ran someone off the field" (45'ed them). You gave your Soph. and Fresh some play time. Now, I can understand if you have 10 or less players on the team and you don't want to risk getting guys hurt and damaging a play off run, but some of the teams I saw play this year had lots of players. I believe Iredell had 18+ players and Strawn had some many it makes you wonder whey they are not playing 11 man. My point though is that they both had plenty of guys to sub in and give some playing time. When did leaving the starters in and sending teams home at the half because so popular despite having younger guys you could have played? Sorry, not picking on Iredell or Strawn because I'm sure other teams had lots of players as well. Those just stand out to me.
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Re: Why/when did 45'ing teams become so popular

Postby Leman Saunders » Mon Jan 01, 2018 1:09 pm

I think some of it has to do with rankings and most notably Granger's point spreads. The old coaches didnt care about such things as much, heck even in 1993-1999 most coaches didnt try to 45 folks (it still happened but it wasnt bc they were out there trying to). The new batch of coaches care a lot more about rankings and point spreads than the coaches in the 70s 80s and 90s did. So they see the weekly spreads and try to beat them so they dont drop in the rankings.

This is just my opinion on it
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Re: Why/when did 45'ing teams become so popular

Postby Leman Saunders » Mon Jan 01, 2018 1:13 pm

as far as playoffs...you mention Strawn...they are in DII and ever since the division split you have weaker teams making the playoffs than before the split...thus when a strong team meets up with them they crush them. Also there have been fewer competitive state games since the split when you compare to the state games before 2006.
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Re: Why/when did 45'ing teams become so popular

Postby Leman Saunders » Mon Jan 01, 2018 1:16 pm

So in a nutshell to answer your question...I would say:

Change in coaching tactics due to rankings and point spreads.

Division split watering down playoff competition

...again just my opinion based on observing all this since 1993.
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Re: Why/when did 45'ing teams become so popular

Postby coachsatcher » Mon Jan 01, 2018 5:44 pm

I really doubt many coaches will get on here and agree with much of what has been typed thus far, including mine. I can honestly say, I have never been in a game and made a decision based on rankings or spread. Our job is to get our players to "sell out" on every play - no matter the score. You can't coach half speed!!! Me personally, I'm not pulling my starters in the first half, unless we have a 45 point lead - PERIOD! My starters earned their spot and their playing time every day at practice. What am I preparing them for if I pull them out every time they get a four touchdown lead? I have no problem adjusting the game plan to slow the scoring, and to work on milking the clock, which is something we occasionally need work on anyway. But I refuse to abandon everything we worked on that week, including personnel and rotations, just because the original game plan was successful and we got a lead.

BTW, have you ever been on the losing side of the mercy rule? I have. I have also been on the losing side of a game, when my opposing coach showed "respect" for me and my players, by kneeling throughout the fourth quarter, just to avoid the mercy rule. I'm sorry, and I love my coaching community, but I would rather you go ahead and put us out of our misery. It's much less humiliating. Get my kids, and yours, off the field and injury free.
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Re: Why/when did 45'ing teams become so popular

Postby Johnny South » Mon Jan 01, 2018 6:15 pm

Mr. Wolf, I'll bet that you witnessed this in the playoffs. During the regular season, if a team has enough players, the younger, less experienced players are playing a JV schedule, and most get a lot of playing time then.
When they get to the playoffs, everybody is suited up and on the sidelines. Most coaches try to get the playoff game over as quickly as possible, not only to avoid the chance of an injury, but also to avoid the chance of the opposing team from making a comeback, which has happened many times. Therefore the JV'ers usually don't get much playing time in the post season.
And the idea that the coaches give a rip about point spreads and such is absurd.
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Re: Why/when did 45'ing teams become so popular

Postby Leman Saunders » Mon Jan 01, 2018 8:15 pm

coachsatcher-
you are probably right and speak for a majority of your peers and (Mr South has echoed some of that as well), but I do know for a fact that there are some coaches that do care about rankings and point spread. It is a factor in this topic, but you are right might as it might just be a select few. It may sound absurd, and you may wish it wasnt the case...but with some (probably a minority) it is (dont shoot the messenger please)

The idea of ending it early to avoid injury is an interesting point, but coaches have always been concerned about injuries so it wouldn't explain the growing number of mercy rule games unless you argue that coaches now are a lot more concerned with injuries, which I think in some ways they might be...as the good ol days of "rub some dirt on it" or "walk it off" are gone (for the better).

Johnny South's main point (which is a good one) speaks to a change in coaching philosophy from the 70s, 80s and most of the 90s...coaches use to let the underclassmen play in big games to gain experience on a bigger stage when they were winning big in playoff games...and some still do! But yes I think some coaches do want to get it over with to help avoid injuries.
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Re: Why/when did 45'ing teams become so popular

Postby Leman Saunders » Mon Jan 01, 2018 8:21 pm

BTW, have you ever been on the losing side of the mercy rule? I have. I have also been on the losing side of a game, when my opposing coach showed "respect" for me and my players, by kneeling throughout the fourth quarter, just to avoid the mercy rule. I'm sorry, and I love my coaching community, but I would rather you go ahead and put us out of our misery. It's much less humiliating. Get my kids, and yours, off the field and injury free.


Yes and thankfully no one tried to just kneel it out for a full quarter...they cycled in B-team to play with A-team guys and ended up 45ing us (1998 Gordon). I agree someone keeling it out for a full quarter would be much more humiliating than a 45 point loss.
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Re: Why/when did 45'ing teams become so popular

Postby granger » Mon Jan 01, 2018 9:35 pm

Sure, blame me.

You want to know the reason:
"Back in the day" there were 60-80 schools. There wasn't the great disparity of teams we see now. Also, the coaching fraternity was much smaller and you knew everyone and you knew them well.

Now, with over 240 schools playing, the talent level is incredibly varied... and lots of coaches and movement.

Also, coaches would rather 45 you than risk getting someone injured. Why not get the game over with, keep everyone healthy, get on the old yellow dog and get home early?
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Re: Why/when did 45'ing teams become so popular

Postby 51eleven » Mon Jan 01, 2018 10:39 pm

I thought 45ing your opponent by halftime was the ultimate objective.
Strawn Did play non starters and jv players in I think every regular season game this year and 2 or three in the playoff's after the score was close to or at 45. The younger kids like scoring too in a varsity game if they can. If you want to win in December dominating opponents prior to then should be your objective prior to getting there so you can compete with other good teams when you do. JMO.
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Re: Why/when did 45'ing teams become so popular

Postby Leman Saunders » Mon Jan 01, 2018 11:43 pm

granger wrote:Sure, blame me.

You want to know the reason:
"Back in the day" there were 60-80 schools. There wasn't the great disparity of teams we see now. Also, the coaching fraternity was much smaller and you knew everyone and you knew them well.

Now, with over 240 schools playing, the talent level is incredibly varied... and lots of coaches and movement.

Also, coaches would rather 45 you than risk getting someone injured. Why not get the game over with, keep everyone healthy, get on the old yellow dog and get home early?


Yes, more schools playing and watered down playoffs due to division split are the main reasons...all true.

but so is the notion of jumping in the rankings and cover the spread...it is naive to think that doesn't happen and I can promise you it's a factor in some of these games. No one likes it but it happens, sorry.

The risk awareness of injury is a lot greater now (as I stated) and for sure is a contributing factor, so is playing the star players more to gain recognition for possible college scouts to look at them...

the correct answer to the posted question is all the above. Personally I think the more schools and the division split is the main factors, with the others contributing in smaller percentages.

I know when I was playing we could have beat people 88-6 at halftime, and so could have a lot of other schools, but we didn't...things are different now that's just the way it is. This is a question best answered by the old coaches as to why they didnt run up the score and 45 more people.

another thing is offenses are very heavily emphasized now and due to shorter practice times by the UIL that means less time to practice defense and special teams play.

In short there is no simple answer to this question lol
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Re: Why/when did 45'ing teams become so popular

Postby smokeyjoe53 » Tue Jan 02, 2018 9:07 am

Just blame it onTrump............. seems as though he is held responsible for all things perceived as bad anyway............
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Re: Why/when did 45'ing teams become so popular

Postby Jones26 » Tue Jan 02, 2018 11:55 am

granger wrote:
Also, coaches would rather 45 you than risk getting someone injured. Why not get the game over with, keep everyone healthy, get on the old yellow dog and get home early?


This is the reason. I'm also in agreement with coach Satcher, the starters need to get their playing time as well. They can't be ready for a playoff run if they only play 7 or 8 plays in the weeks leading up.

The idea that coaches are worried about rankings and spreads is ridiculous. I have yet to meet a coach who cares anything about the rankings. We are happy that our teams' hard work is appreciated by the media, but it never, EVER, is on our minds during a game. If a coach is worried about that stuff, they are in this business for the wrong reason. It's upsetting to even think that there are coaches who let that stuff be a part of their decision making, in fact it's insulting.
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Re: Why/when did 45'ing teams become so popular

Postby oldfat&bald » Tue Jan 02, 2018 12:53 pm

smokeyjoe53 wrote:Just blame it onTrump............. seems as though he is held responsible for all things perceived as bad anyway............


I think it’s still a hangover from the Obama era.
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Re: Why/when did 45'ing teams become so popular

Postby speedkills » Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:21 pm

I think there's two ways to look at this:

1) JV team - if your program is fortunate enough to have a JV team with a decent schedule of games for them, then let your varsity players get the work on Friday nights whether it ends as a 45 or not.

2) no JV team- if you don't have a JV team then you're doing your kids (and program) a disservice by not getting the younger guys on the field with a 35+ point lead. The benefits of getting those kids invaluable varsity snaps far outweighs 45ing someone with starters. Now if the younger kids are able to stretch the lead & finish the game with a 45, so be it & good for them.

There are some exceptions to this (like a district or playoff game against an opponent that is capable of recovering from a big deficit). But by and large most coaches have a pretty good feel for the situation. And hopefully as coaches the concern of whether we "cover the spread" or not doesn't outweigh doing what is best for the kids & long-term development of the program.
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