Baseball Hall of Fame (any baseball nerds out there)

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Re: Baseball Hall of Fame (any baseball nerds out there)

Postby coachsatcher » Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:02 pm

oldfat&bald wrote:Dumb question. Does any one else think they should shorten the regular season since they added the wild card playoff round? And does anyone else think that giving WS home field advantage to the league that wins the all star game is dumb?


Don't want to see a shorter season, because of the addition of one playoff game. I like the home/away status riding on the All-Star game. It forces managers/players to play with a bit more effort when there is something riding on it.
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Re: Baseball Hall of Fame (any baseball nerds out there)

Postby Old Bearkat » Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:38 pm

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burnerman wrote:Sorry guys but I will respectfully disagree about Pete Rose. he was a fantastic player but you cannot stick a player / coach who bets on games , his own games, as he has admitted and stick him in the HOF. it is not right and it will never be right. More importantly, Pete Rose acknowledges what he did but still does not see the magnitude of the wrong. He always hedges his explanation. And just as a side note, the way he treats the fans of baseball at his signing events continues his slime ball personality.

My opinion but just saying.


I respect your opinion, but the hall of fame is for a players work on the field. Anything done off the field should have no bearing on their place in history. Many of our hall of famers, in every sport, made terrible choices off the field. Pete Rose was one of the best baseball players to step foot on the diamond. Yes, what he did was stupid! But it never stopped him from performing on the field. One player/manager (non-pitcher) can not affect the spread in a baseball game enough to make a significant difference (excluding Bill Buckner). I'm not condoning what he did. I'm just saying there are tons of pro athletes that I wouldn't want my daughter dating; but was the best at their sport during their tenure. He served enough time out of the hall and deserves to take his place alongside his teamates and fellow competitors.


I find myself agreeing with that. Rose is a complete jackass, but again, so are a LOT of pro athletes in all sports. Given his publicized antics, I wonder just how much shady stuff Babe Ruth did back during his playing days?
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Re: Baseball Hall of Fame (any baseball nerds out there)

Postby oneday » Wed Feb 20, 2013 3:03 pm

Prior to late season 1920, a lot of players gambled and bet on games, usually betting on their own team to win, Ty Cobb, who you could argue was the best player ever, was involved in a betting scandal with another Hall of Famer Tris Speaker from years prior and there was more evidence against them in the form of letters than there ever was against any of the 8 White Sox players (remember signed conffesions of the 3 White Sox players who signed them disapeared before trial so all the State had was testimony of a few gamblers). Yet the Commissioner didn't ban either Speaker or Cobb, but their own teams thought badly enough of their deeds to fire them (Detriot and Cleveland) and they were both picked up by the Phil. A's...

This is what I have to say about Pete Rose. He bet on baseball games as a manager, that is a fact. I don't think it was proven that he bet on a game he managed for his team (the Reds) to loose. But here is the thing...if a guy witha a gambling problem is betting his games some of the time then he doesn't bet on his team in some games...isn't that a sign that he didn't think his team would win. And in EVERY SINGLE LOCKER ROOM in the MLB while Rose was playing and for sure managing there is a big sign hanging up that PROHIBITED GAMBLING ON BASEBALL and giving the punishment, life time banishment. Rose knew what he was doing was wrong and the ppunishment that went with it, and he did it anyway...Rose should be banned for Life.

But once he dies I say the lifetime ban is over and he should be taken off the ineligible list so he can be voted on officially.

No some great baseball talks!

Acts of Commissioner Saunders:

1. Contract 6 teams. Miami, Toronto, Colorado, San Diego, Washington, Tampa Bay
2. Balance the 2 leagues (which has been done finially for the 2013 season by moving the Astros to the AL):
- 2 Leagues AL and NL; 12 teams in each League, 2 Divisions within each league East and West.
3. Get rid of the DH.
4. Get rid of Inter-League play, this would give more flavor to the All-Star game...like it use to have before Inter-League play
5. Change the season to 144 games
6. Playoffs
- Round 1: Top 2 teams from each division play each other in a best of 5 series: #1 team from D1 would play #2 team from D2, #1 team from D2 plays #2 team from D1.
- Round 2: The 2 Division winners play each other for the League Championship in a best of 5 series
- World Series: The 2 League winners play in a best of 7 series.

7. Have more games played on Saturday and Sunday afternoon.

By contracting and getting rid of the DH...that would be reducing the number of players in the MLB, cutting 162 players. That means the 162 worst players wouldn't be playing the MLB but the minor leagues. Making the product on the field better!

I am following the adage "less is more"

The seaons would be shorter making it less likely for overlap with other pro sports meaning you are not competing as much for fans and TV spots and ratings.
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Re: Baseball Hall of Fame (any baseball nerds out there)

Postby Old Bearkat » Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:50 pm

I agree on getting rid of those teams, the DH, and shorter season. No to the top 2 teams in each division in playoffs. Division champs only. And if you are going to have divisions, say East and West, put teams in each division that are truly east and west. No idiocy like having Atlanta in a Western division.

If I had my druthers, there would be NO divisions, League champ is last team on top at the end of the season. Playoffs ONLY when there is a tie.
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Re: Baseball Hall of Fame (any baseball nerds out there)

Postby smokeyjoe53 » Wed Feb 20, 2013 8:34 pm

We are planning a little trip next month and are going to take in a few Spring Training games. One of our options
is the Rangers - Angels. Got me wondering about Josh Hamilton. With all of his off-field troubles ( hopefully in the past )
Do you think he is Hall of Fame material based on his career so far?
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Re: Baseball Hall of Fame (any baseball nerds out there)

Postby oneday » Wed Feb 20, 2013 8:44 pm

Nope...he has only played 6 years lets see how the next 6 go...
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Re: Baseball Hall of Fame (any baseball nerds out there)

Postby smokeyjoe53 » Wed Feb 20, 2013 8:49 pm

I said based on his career so far. I certainly would vote for him today but if you extrapolated his stats & performance will he be considered?
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Re: Baseball Hall of Fame (any baseball nerds out there)

Postby coachsatcher » Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:35 pm

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coachsatcher wrote:
burnerman wrote:Sorry guys but I will respectfully disagree about Pete Rose. he was a fantastic player but you cannot stick a player / coach who bets on games , his own games, as he has admitted and stick him in the HOF. it is not right and it will never be right. More importantly, Pete Rose acknowledges what he did but still does not see the magnitude of the wrong. He always hedges his explanation. And just as a side note, the way he treats the fans of baseball at his signing events continues his slime ball personality.

My opinion but just saying.


I respect your opinion, but the hall of fame is for a players work on the field. Anything done off the field should have no bearing on their place in history. Many of our hall of famers, in every sport, made terrible choices off the field. Pete Rose was one of the best baseball players to step foot on the diamond. Yes, what he did was stupid! But it never stopped him from performing on the field. One player/manager (non-pitcher) can not affect the spread in a baseball game enough to make a significant difference (excluding Bill Buckner). I'm not condoning what he did. I'm just saying there are tons of pro athletes that I wouldn't want my daughter dating; but was the best at their sport during their tenure. He served enough time out of the hall and deserves to take his place alongside his teamates and fellow competitors.


I find myself agreeing with that. Rose is a complete jackass, but again, so are a LOT of pro athletes in all sports. Given his publicized antics, I wonder just how much shady stuff Babe Ruth did back during his playing days?


That's always been my point. Michael Jordan also bet on basketball games, but because he is the God to basketball, know one cared. He deserves in just like the rest of the scoundrels.
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