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What do you Officials think?

Postby oldergoat » Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:17 pm

This situation was in an 11 man game but have to wonder about the officials. It was a 2A game.
Situation: 4th down ball on Team B's (Black Jerseys) 43. Line to gain is the Team B 42 (4th and one). Play run and ball is marked at the 42 and 1/2 yard line (on a turf field). The spot looked to be good and was marked by the Headlines and the visiting team was Team A (White Jerseys). Chain is on the 42. Officials rule Team A (White Jerseys) was short of the Line to Gain (correct call). Ball is spotted at least full ball short of the Tick Mark of the 42. The officials exchange balls and spot the ball for Team A (Black Jerseys) with the point (front) of the ball touching the Team A's (Black Jerseys) 42 yard line. The chain had been moved to the Team A (Black Jerseys) 42 and 1/2 yard line and was never reset to the 42. This forced Team A (Black Jerseys) to have to gain at least 10 and 1/2 yards for a First Down.

Based on the "new" spot of the ball:
A) Should White Team be awarded a First Down - Where the ball was placed they had reached the line to gain.


B) Should the ball be re-spotted at the correct yard line

Another question is should these officials, at least the White Hat and Umpire be allowed to continue to call Varsity High School games?

For us six-man fans don't get to upset with the officials because in the past 5 years I have seen a lot worse than this in 5A games.
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Re: What do you Officials think?

Postby freeagent » Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:40 pm

Of course, I remember being told the story of the veteran chain crew in a South Texas town.

These guys had a routine that you could easily miss. They would regularly set the chains about a 1/2 yard short (9-1/2 yards) when they were on offense and a 1/2 yard long (10-1/2 yards) when they were on defense. I was told it was finally "caught" when an opponent did a frame by frame run on a game film and saw the crew make the quick step to give the home team an advantage.
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Re: What do you Officials think?

Postby TebowTime15 » Fri Sep 11, 2020 5:38 am

That's a really clever scheme! While I obviously do not endorse the practice, it makes sense because the home team is more likely to cause the refs problems than the visiting team. Although it could totally change the course of an 11-man game, especially for certain kinds of offenses like the Slot-T, there are so many breakaways in sixman that it would have a a much lower impact if a ref tried it.

By the way, most sixman officials are bad mostly out of ignorance about sixman rather than nefarious intentions. I think every fan of sixman should keep that in mind.
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Re: What do you Officials think?

Postby JasonTX » Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:27 pm

I'm having a hard time seeing what you are talking about. What should happen when they were a 1/2 short at the 42 1/2. The ball goes over and will be spotted either on the 42 or the 43 the chain should be moved to the nose of the football. So instead of going 42 1/2 to 32 1/2 for a first down, we'll instead go 42 to 32. Next time you watch college or NFL on TV notice where like a punt rolls out of bound in between yardlines. You'll never see a series start in the middle of a yardline. They'll move it up to the full yardline. This way we know where 10 yards is so no need to measure when you know the line of scrimmage is on the yardline and we move 10 yards up field. So 42 to 32 is 10 yards. Move the chains for the next series.

Another one you'll see is when the ball is turned over on the southside of the 50. We'll then move the ball to the northside of the 50 when the other team takes over. Been like this for ages.
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