TAPPS Six-man Alignment

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Re: TAPPS Six-man Alignment

Postby football jersey » Sun Oct 27, 2013 3:08 pm

My take is TAPPS has not enforced the legal limits for 6 man in for ever, so they created more rules that don't require enforcement! 10 to 15 kids shouldn't have to play a team that has 40-45 kids.
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Re: TAPPS Six-man Alignment

Postby freeagent » Sun Oct 27, 2013 3:21 pm

I guess the three division alignment will work as long as the teams assigned to the districts are going to be able to field teams in the next two years.

But if we take previous experience into account, we're going to find that schools can't play that previously committed ... and all of a sudden, a four or five team district turns into a two team district. When we have that happen multiple times, then the decision to go three divisions is going to be questioned. If not, well, it may work out pretty well. Will be interesting if all three finals games will be on one date or there will be a Friday night game and two Saturday games, and how the playoff pool will be drawn. I can't see 16 team fields in these divisions (since each division is about 20 schools), but 8 or 12 team fields will be probable; a 12 team field requires four byes in Week 11, so you have to hope that your district doesn't have week 10 byes or you might be off two weeks in a row prior to playoffs.

However you draw districts and divisions, you are going to always find schools that have problems competing in that division. In fact, you -- or I -- can point to some schools assigned in Division I that would have problems being competitive even in Division III and some D3 teams that could hold their own in D1.
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Re: TAPPS Six-man Alignment

Postby loveofgame » Sun Oct 27, 2013 3:39 pm

I think the board did a good job with the three divisions, I have no problem with that. However, looking at the districts, they screwed the pooch on putting those together.
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Re: TAPPS Six-man Alignment

Postby FultonFootball » Sun Oct 27, 2013 4:37 pm

Coach, do you suggest your team plays in district 3 division 3?
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Re: TAPPS Six-man Alignment

Postby loveofgame » Sun Oct 27, 2013 5:43 pm

To be honest, I'm not sure. I'd have to lay it all out however, I don't see making trips to LT, or even your school very good when there's much closer schools around us. I know for us, we will back TAPPS all the way but, I do see this pushing some schools out to TCAL or TCAF, which none of us want I believe.
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Re: TAPPS Six-man Alignment

Postby loveofgame » Sun Oct 27, 2013 5:53 pm

Luckily, I have a pretty good relationship to the LT coaches, and I'm sure we'll find a good way to make it work. But FOR EXAMPLE, let's say WF and El paso can't agree on a neutral location to play. This would force them to make a 9 hour trip for a district game you can't afford. Now, I would like to believe being a tapps program we would all work together and make that a 4.5 hour trip for all (which is still very long), but I'm playing the "what if" card here lol.

And to EP and WF coaches, i know nothing of yall's situation or if something is in place. I just picked two teams who had a lot of traveling based on this.
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Re: TAPPS Six-man Alignment

Postby freeagent » Sun Oct 27, 2013 6:02 pm

loveofgame wrote:To be honest, I'm not sure. I'd have to lay it all out however, I don't see making trips to LT, or even your school very good when there's much closer schools around us. I know for us, we will back TAPPS all the way but, I do see this pushing some schools out to TCAL or TCAF, which none of us want I believe.


Even TCAF or TCAL haven't been able to figure out how to move El Paso any closer to the rest of Texas. The read I get is that El Paso Jesus Chapel is a very strong, committed TAPPS school.

Seriously, if things had stayed with two divisions, you could have worked out some of this travel stuff. Even better would be that we have one solid private school league and there would be a whole lot less of the travel mess.

Someday I'll have to take a list of all the private six-man schools (since TAPPS doesn't accept home school or charter schools, I may have to run this in two scenarios) and show you what we could have with one league.
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Re: TAPPS Six-man Alignment

Postby FultonFootball » Sun Oct 27, 2013 6:09 pm

Coach,

Very true. El Paso is tough and Brownwood is tough, but I would say this.


Brownwood to Freddy 1 hr 45 min
Brownwood to San Marcos 2 hr 50 min

Brownwood to San Antonio 3 hr 6 min
Brownwood to Selma- same thing as San Antonio.
Brownwood to Seguin-




Brownwood to Ft. Worth 2 hr 23 min
Brownwood to Granbury 1 hr 40 min
Brownwood to heath 3 hr 15 min - I know I was in the bball district years back.lol.
Brownwood to Dallas 2 hr 50 min
Brownwood to Richardson 3 hr 2 min
Brownwood to Longview 4 hr 34 min-

Honestly, looking at logistics just a very tough decision because what schools are out there, in Tapps, that would play in our division.

These schools would be within reason. Please tell me, but I think they made the right decision.
Abilene Christian, Freddy, Bulverde, Cedar Park, Waco Live Oak.
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Re: TAPPS Six-man Alignment

Postby loveofgame » Sun Oct 27, 2013 7:08 pm

FultonFootball wrote:Coach,

Very true. El Paso is tough and Brownwood is tough, but I would say this.


Brownwood to Freddy 1 hr 45 min
Brownwood to San Marcos 2 hr 50 min

Brownwood to San Antonio 3 hr 6 min
Brownwood to Selma- same thing as San Antonio.
Brownwood to Seguin-




Brownwood to Ft. Worth 2 hr 23 min
Brownwood to Granbury 1 hr 40 min
Brownwood to heath 3 hr 15 min - I know I was in the bball district years back.lol.
Brownwood to Dallas 2 hr 50 min
Brownwood to Richardson 3 hr 2 min
Brownwood to Longview 4 hr 34 min-

Honestly, looking at logistics just a very tough decision because what schools are out there, in Tapps, that would play in our division.

These schools would be within reason. Please tell me, but I think they made the right decision.
Abilene Christian, Freddy, Bulverde, Cedar Park, Waco Live Oak.


I may be a little biased, lol, but this is my point with B'wood. Why are we traveling all the way to LT when we have freddy and San Marcus much closer, or even the DFW schools I don't have a problem with. 2.5 hours is still a long drive for a district game, but I understand fully that's something we just can't change because of the geography of the TAPPS schools. It would be nice to have much depth to the central Texas TAPPS, as we have tons of tcal/tcaf schools real close to us, but I agree with TAPPS's stance on the homeschool issue personally. I also see a lot of true "home" games go awaying and being supported by middle ground games, which I'm not a big fan of, but on a side note fulton..you know of any fields between us with some good eating:)
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Re: TAPPS Six-man Alignment

Postby FultonFootball » Sun Oct 27, 2013 7:34 pm

Yes. I can give you a list anytime.
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Re: TAPPS Six-man Alignment

Postby freeagent » Sun Oct 27, 2013 7:55 pm

Okay, you want a "screwy" alignment, just take a look at the basketball/volleyball alignment.

One of the 1A districts is: Fredericksburg Heritage, San Marcos Hill Country, Seguin Lifegate, and San Angelo Cornerstone Christian. Except for a 25 to 30 minute trip between Seguin and San Marcos, you're talking two to four hour trips. San Angelo doesn't fit anywhere ... it would be much longer trips to the West Texas TAPPS schools (and Cornerstone may be in the football mix in a couple years).

And four 1A schools in San Antonio. It would make sense for those schools to play in an 8 team district, but it was decided to do it the way they did. Sometimes a school has to be put somewhere to balance a district. Unless travel is really crazy, you don't want a three team district here and an eight or nine team district somewhere else.

Plus, in football, you make just one trip to each opponent every other year. I've seen schools realize that their travel mileage is much less in football (fewer games) than in basketball or volleyball.

If you want more schools in your district, perhaps it's time to jawbone those nearby TCAL or TCAF schools that would be good TAPPS members to come on over. Start thinking about it now so that they can join sometime late in the 2014-2015 school year and be in the realignment mix for 2016-2018.
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Re: TAPPS Six-man Alignment

Postby freeagent » Sun Oct 27, 2013 8:18 pm

football jersey wrote:My take is TAPPS has not enforced the legal limits for 6 man in for ever, so they created more rules that don't require enforcement! 10 to 15 kids shouldn't have to play a team that has 40-45 kids.


Before I let this drive by comment pass, I wonder who would be the folks that broke the "legal limit" for six man? TAPPS doesn't have the resources or the staff to play IRS-storm-trooper and bust down the doors of your school's enrollment office or have an early morning stakeout across the street, with Bryan sitting in his pickup truck with one of those little clickers counting the kids bouncing into the school door. Like I said, I think the form you sign and submit makes you sign pinky-promise, cross your heart and hope to die, on my dear mother's grave that the numbers you submit are correct. The enforcement may not be much more than your hope that when you see Saint Peter at the Pearly Gates that this is one of those times you broke the "thou shalt not bear false witness" commandment that he's gonna let slide.

Until about four years ago, TAPPS kept pretty tight to the 50 boys (or 100 total when total enrollment was used) number; the number was adjusted up when there were significant numbers of schools just over the 50 number. Right now, there are ten schools over the 60 boys number:

Houston Emery - 117 (school has played 6 man for many years, joins district in 2014)
Lubbock Trinity - 106 (plays JV 11 man and doesn't appear on any football district list 11 or 6 man)
Boerne Geneva - 72 (Competitive, but I expect playing 11 man in 2016)
Katy Faith West - 71 (dropped from 11 man two years ago and joins districts in 2014)
Red Oak Ovilla Christian - 68 (first year of any football program)
San Antonio Winston - 64 (long time six-man, but certainly not a powerhouse)
Midland Trinity - 62 (long time, competitive)
Waco Vanguard - 62 (I think in second year of football, not to insult the Vanguard folks, but I don't believe there's plans for a football trophy case for a few years)
Sugar Land Logos - 62 (Competitive program)
Rockwall Heritage Christian - 60 (Long time competitive program).

The next 11 are still above 50, some competitive, some not:

Round Rock Christian, Christian Academy of SA, Dallas Fairhill, Dallas Covenant (11 man in 2016), Austin Hill Co. Christian, Baytown Christian, Huntsville Alpha Omega, Abliene Christian, Pasadena First Baptist Christian, Watauga Harvest Christian, Kerrville Our Lady of the Hills

With the exception of the last school I listed (Kerrville Our Lady of the Hills, at 51), I just listed the new D1 alignment. So, if you went hard-and-fast with the 50 number, you have 20 schools either playing no football, independent 6 man, or trying to struggle with 11 man programs ... or worse, having 6 man numbers one cycle and 11 man numbers the next cycle.

Perhaps I can make a solid case for the top three or five schools listed there to play 11 man instead of 6 man, but that isn't a simple decision for a school to make -- there is questions of being able to sustain those numbers (at least one of those schools played 11 man two years ago) and the other internal decisions (staff, equipment, facilities, etc.) to sustain a competitive and safe 11 man football program.

I still think this could have worked just as well with two districts and 16 team playoff fields in each division -- and maybe some better travel options for district play, but if the schools assigned stick it out for the cycle, it should work. I just am not convinced that it's going to happen.

But I've been wrong before.
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