Tioga Forfeits at Half Because of Bad Officiating???

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Re: Tioga Forfeits at Half Because of Bad Officiating???

Postby wths » Sat Oct 07, 2017 9:22 pm

Here’s the kicker though. They were winning when they quit! I saw on the score thread they were up 28-6 or 28-10 or something like that before they forfeited. Who does that?!?!?!
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Re: Tioga Forfeits at Half Because of Bad Officiating???

Postby Leman Saunders » Sat Oct 07, 2017 10:25 pm

I could be completely wrong on this but...Im pretty sure the UIL doesnt care at all, as it was a non-district game against a non-uil school.
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Re: Tioga Forfeits at Half Because of Bad Officiating???

Postby rainjacktx » Sat Oct 07, 2017 11:58 pm

Leman Saunders wrote:I could be completely wrong on this but...Im pretty sure the UIL doesnt care at all, as it was a non-district game against a non-uil school.


UIL wants to know when any player is ejected, regardless of opponent. I'm not sure about coaches, but I do know several who have been ejected and had to make a trip to Austin.

Point being, the UIL is the nanny state. Never misunderestimate what they think is their business. People are using the safety of the players as a valid reason for the forfeit, but that's not the only reason they gave. Was it?
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Re: Tioga Forfeits at Half Because of Bad Officiating???

Postby 51eleven » Sun Oct 08, 2017 12:09 am

FCSA football wrote:A head coach's first and foremost responsibility is for the safety of those kids entrusted to him. Football is a dangerous sport in the best possible situation. That is a given. Furthermore, the liability rests, for the most part, on the head coach. It takes far more courage to take a stand than just "go along to get along".
What I'm seeing on this thread at this moment, is too much EGO, talking before the facts are known.
Granted this was a drastic step, but the situation and conditions may have demanded it.
Let the facts come out before you jump on the condemnation band wagon.
If you get a kid permanently hurt because of YOUR EGO thing,
YOU don't have to live with it, but THE KID may have to, for the rest of his life.


So the kid's are in danger because of the bad officiating and it might all be the coaches fault and he could be held liable ?
You lost me coach.
I thought it was more about I don't like your rules, I'm taking my ball and going home.
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Re: Tioga Forfeits at Half Because of Bad Officiating???

Postby FCSA football » Sun Oct 08, 2017 7:19 am

It might have been about safety, it might have been, as you say, rules, but for a coach to believe that he should stop the game, there had to be some serious extenuating circumstances that caused the coach to make his decision. All I'm saying is before we make a knee jerk judgement, we wait for the facts and/or the film. If we weren't there and we didn't see it, we really have no basis in fact, to question or criticize what took place, and as Leaman said, under the circumstances described, I doubt the UIL cares. Additionally, I believe Tioga was 5-0, and ranked # 15 in Division 1. Whatever happened, it surely must have been important for the coach to scrap a thus far, perfect record.
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Re: Tioga Forfeits at Half Because of Bad Officiating???

Postby BuffaloCountry » Sun Oct 08, 2017 8:47 am

FCSA football wrote:It might have been about safety, it might have been, as you say, rules, but for a coach to believe that he should stop the game, there had to be some serious extenuating circumstances that caused the coach to make his decision. All I'm saying is before we make a knee jerk judgement, we wait for the facts and/or the film. If we weren't there and we didn't see it, we really have no basis in fact, to question or criticize what took place, and as Leaman said, under the circumstances described, I doubt the UIL cares. Additionally, I believe Tioga was 5-0, and ranked # 15 in Division 1. Whatever happened, it surely must have been important for the coach to scrap a thus far, perfect record.

I see it this way as well. They were ahead in the game too then just packed up and left. What were the circumstances behind this..
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Re: Tioga Forfeits at Half Because of Bad Officiating???

Postby Superjrj » Sun Oct 08, 2017 8:56 am

This is a violation of UIL rules coaches code of conduct. Anytime a coach is in charge of his team he is subject to the rules first day of practice to last game.YES the uil will care!!!!! What they have to say will not be kind either. They protect the kids the integrity of the game and the officials.it doesn't matter who they played it was under UIL RULES. ANYONE WHO plays a uil team has to agree to play according to uil rules. So the coach and administrators from Tioga will have to explain WHY this was done and rest assured it won't be pleasant in front of state executive committee.officials are subject to the same also but have never seen an official severely disciplined! This is all on the Tioga coaching staff and Tioga administrators
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Re: Tioga Forfeits at Half Because of Bad Officiating???

Postby Superjrj » Sun Oct 08, 2017 10:20 am

What everyone who has commented on here about waiting for film and a plausible explanation is a mute point! The coach and subsequently the administration at Tioga are responsible for violating a UIL RULE. The coaches code of conduct which he had to sign specifically states that "he will not remove his team as a protest". Other avenues he could have pursued and maybe have been plausible would have been to have met with administrators from both sides along with the game officials and discussed his issues of the game. Even had no acceptable solution been made he violated his signed code of conduct when he withdrew his team. The officials will file a report along with the other school which will I suspect will offer varying views of what happened and none will favor Tioga. The one simple fact is that he violated his code of conduct. He may have sincerely felt his team was in harms way but other avenues would have been a better solution. His interaction of failing to shake the hands of the kids and coaches he defeated the first week is a telling of his arrogant character! I wish no harm to the athletes now and in the future but facts are facts. Let's hope that this life lesson will not go unheeded
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Re: Tioga Forfeits at Half Because of Bad Officiating???

Postby granger » Sun Oct 08, 2017 11:05 am

scroll on down to number 5 under THE ATHLETIC CODE FOR COACHES.

http://www.uiltexas.org/files/constitution/uil-ccr-section-1200-1203.pdf
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Re: Tioga Forfeits at Half Because of Bad Officiating???

Postby FCSA football » Sun Oct 08, 2017 1:17 pm

In 1985 I was coaching a game that had turned into a cross between Roller Derby and Championship Wrestling.
At half time I went to talk about the lack of penalties for late hits, unnecessary roughness and unsportsmanlike conduct, and expressed my opinion that the game was out of control.The two officals looked at each other and then me and said "Hey coach, let the boys be boys, lighten up". With only a little over two minutes gone in the third quarter, we were on our way to another score when my half back was hit out of bounds, over by the bench. Even after all these years I can still see that play and it still haunts me. The result of that late unnecessary hit was catastrophic. The resulting injury ended a very talented athletes' football season, it also ended his entire athletic career. He still walks with a slight limp.
I wish that I would have had the courage to forfeit the game and take my kids home.
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Re: Tioga Forfeits at Half Because of Bad Officiating???

Postby Superjrj » Sun Oct 08, 2017 1:53 pm

Coach it's a given in a collision sport like football there are no certainties that injury will not occur. Athletes know it parents know it coaches know it officials know it and each and everyone is responsible for their partin any thing that causes injury. It's sad and sometimes castastrofic that athletes get injuries but all the safe guards in the game can't guarrantee that it's safe. We've played on fields that were not suitably safe and yes many times and more now with poorly and not properly trained experienced officials. The lower classicifations get the officials who aren't experience enough to call upper classifications and many times don't know the rules and generally 1st or 2nd yr officials inexperienced in how to handle a physical game. Inexperienced in how to handle concerned coaches and many times poor judgement on calls! Many have never played the game and it adds to a poor understanding of the game! The six man game is so wide open it's difficult to cover with experienced officials who know where and when to look for infractions couple that with critical voicing coaches and it quickly becomes a volatile situation as kids hear coaches and officials remarks toward each other and tempers get heated and nothing good comes as a result. I have no doubt that
Officiating was playing a role in this game as it does in many and the Tioga'sfirst game of the year was in my opinion poorly officiated but at the same time all are human and in competition a few ill spoken words from either can fuel a fire to a bonfire. As coaches we NEVER want to see any athlete injuries. Like I said earlier WE all have a part in it.
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Re: Tioga Forfeits at Half Because of Bad Officiating???

Postby wths » Sun Oct 08, 2017 2:08 pm

From the UIl Athletic Code that Granger shared. This pretty much says it all.


THE ATHLETIC CODE FOR COACHES.
(5) Not removing a team from a contest as a protest.
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Re: Tioga Forfeits at Half Because of Bad Officiating???

Postby rainjacktx » Sun Oct 08, 2017 2:45 pm

You were playing a high school football game with only 2 officials? Sounds like you should have never started that game in the first place. It doesn't take courage to avoid getting your kid hurt, just a modicum of common sense.
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Re: Tioga Forfeits at Half Because of Bad Officiating???

Postby Cougarfan13 » Sun Oct 08, 2017 3:24 pm

The MAXPREPS video of the game has been edited to show NOTHING!
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Re: Tioga Forfeits at Half Because of Bad Officiating???

Postby Johnny South » Sun Oct 08, 2017 4:04 pm

rainjacks, I don't know where you come up with this 2 officials statement. You may want to double check that.
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